1970 Camaro RS: Operation Budget LSx
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To tell you the truth the only reason I was thinking about running a older style alt is because my 6.0L didn't come with a factory alt. I also haven't looked at one of the newer type ones so I didn't know if they would use the same type of wiring setup.
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Nathan, I have a couple of questions for you.
I am getting things together right now to put a 1999 6.0L in my 70 camaro, it is going to be a track only drag car so I am going to be running almost the exact setup as you are running. Only things I will be running is the carb,Th-350 trans, water pump and alternator.
First, where did you find the correct pully for the alternator??
I am getting things together right now to put a 1999 6.0L in my 70 camaro, it is going to be a track only drag car so I am going to be running almost the exact setup as you are running. Only things I will be running is the carb,Th-350 trans, water pump and alternator.
First, where did you find the correct pully for the alternator??
Second, since my 6.0L has the built on crank spacer do you think the Hugh's flexplate (flat type) you used is the same one that I would need?
Third, is the Hugh's flexplate a SFI version??
Keep up the great work with all the pics, it really helps seeing someone else do this and show all the ways to get it done.
One other thing, what pan are you using?
One other thing, what pan are you using?
Last edited by 1970camaroRS; 06-20-2010 at 05:24 PM.
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You give great detail info! You said you had to adjust the valves, the stock valves dont need to be adjusted do they? Also, what is the torque spec's on rocker arms? Great work, im doing a 1981TTA, with a Turbo LQ4, it's all new to me. Ive been doing Grandnationals, this LS stuff is new to me.
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it uses the same wiring setup. you will need an adapter that will plug into the lsx alternator, hook up your sense and field wire to it, and you are good to go.
the only thing you need is the $20 pigtail.
I wouldnt personally use a 1 wire alternator because I dont know how it would sense the load going through the system.
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I was thinking about running the truck pan since this car is going to be a track only setup but if for some reason I end up doing a wheel stand and slam the front down I don't want the pan to scatter across the track.
I picked up a F-body pan about two years ago in hopes of doing a LSx build so I think I am going to go that route with mine.
Where did you say you found the belt pulley for the alternator??
I picked up a F-body pan about two years ago in hopes of doing a LSx build so I think I am going to go that route with mine.
Where did you say you found the belt pulley for the alternator??
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You give great detail info! You said you had to adjust the valves, the stock valves dont need to be adjusted do they? Also, what is the torque spec's on rocker arms? Great work, im doing a 1981TTA, with a Turbo LQ4, it's all new to me. Ive been doing Grandnationals, this LS stuff is new to me.
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it uses the same wiring setup. you will need an adapter that will plug into the lsx alternator, hook up your sense and field wire to it, and you are good to go.
the only thing you need is the $20 pigtail.
I wouldnt personally use a 1 wire alternator because I dont know how it would sense the load going through the system.
the only thing you need is the $20 pigtail.
I wouldnt personally use a 1 wire alternator because I dont know how it would sense the load going through the system.
Since I already have the alternator and a bracket it didn't make sense to change to an OEM type. It is slightly cheaper and infinitely more fun to adapt my old stuff.
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http://www.summitracing.com/search/P...l/?Ns=Rank|Asc
All you need to do is pick the correct size and you're good to go.
All you need to do is pick the correct size and you're good to go.
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Here's one heck of an update. Not exactly done with this project yet, but the mock-up picture was too good not to share.
Problem: No alternator on my LSx motor.
Have: Alternator from my BBC and the bracket that went with it.
Solution: Adapt my junk to run with the truck pulley, waterpump and tensioner.
Here's a reference picture of the head
![](https://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs067.ash2/36726_132328630120554_100000302545291_221551_3321028_n.jpg)
Basic location and spacing I had in mind.
![](https://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs067.ash2/36726_132328633453887_100000302545291_221552_8176956_n.jpg)
![](https://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs127.snc4/36726_132328636787220_100000302545291_221553_1733866_n.jpg)
After making some measurements (including the difference in the depth of my alternator and the waterpump pulley), I found I needed a 1-1/4" plate and I would have to pick-up a hole on the cylinder head with the spacer plate.
![](https://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs067.ash2/36726_132328653453885_100000302545291_221558_7121413_n.jpg)
Got this big hunk-o-aluminum from Midwest Steel Supply. It's 1-1/4" thick, 6"x8" T6 aluminum and with shipping was surprisingly cheap. I could have ordered a smaller size, but I wanted extra just in case.
![](https://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs127.snc4/36726_132328626787221_100000302545291_221550_208785_n.jpg)
Sorry if these pictures are excessive, but I like them. I layed out the pattern using my existing bracket, made some reference marks for the holes (do not drill these) and marked the inside area where I want the other cylinder head hole to end up.
![](https://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs147.snc4/36726_132328640120553_100000302545291_221554_3986746_n.jpg)
![](https://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs147.snc4/36726_132328643453886_100000302545291_221555_7151993_n.jpg)
![](https://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs147.snc4/36726_132328646787219_100000302545291_221556_6516929_n.jpg)
![](https://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs127.snc4/36726_132328650120552_100000302545291_221557_3616834_n.jpg)
![](https://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs127.snc4/36726_132328656787218_100000302545291_221559_305513_n.jpg)
I managed to find a bandsaw somewhere and cut out the plate. You can hacksaw or jigsaw this, but I wouldn't recommend it.
![](https://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs067.ash2/36726_132328660120551_100000302545291_221560_1318687_n.jpg)
After clamping up the BBC bracket to the spacer plate to use as a drill guide...
![](https://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs067.ash2/36726_132328663453884_100000302545291_221561_5177692_n.jpg)
...I used a 'gunbarrel' drill bit and backdrilled the holes.
![](https://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs067.ash2/36726_132328666787217_100000302545291_221562_6179228_n.jpg)
After measuring out and drilling the third hole, I mocked the spacer and bracket up to the head.
![](https://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs147.snc4/36726_132328670120550_100000302545291_221563_8245816_n.jpg)
![](https://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs127.snc4/36726_132328673453883_100000302545291_221564_3699619_n.jpg)
Used some random fasteners and a few drill bits and mocked everything up. I had a long steel spacer tube from another project that I cut down to 1-1/4" to match the spacer and used it on the tie-rod common-to the cylinder head.
![](https://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs067.ash2/36726_132328676787216_100000302545291_221565_6175864_n.jpg)
![](https://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs147.snc4/36726_132328680120549_100000302545291_221566_1889637_n.jpg)
![](https://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs147.snc4/36726_132328686787215_100000302545291_221568_2552309_n.jpg)
Looks like everything lines up perfectly!
![](https://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs127.snc4/36726_132328683453882_100000302545291_221567_4300862_n.jpg)
Now I need to counter-bore the backside of the outermost hole so I can install that bolt. It interferes with the cylinder head. Then I will de-chrome everything chrome and probably paint the alternator, bracket and spacer an aluminum color so it all looks uniform. And, I need to find a belt...
Problem: No alternator on my LSx motor.
Have: Alternator from my BBC and the bracket that went with it.
Solution: Adapt my junk to run with the truck pulley, waterpump and tensioner.
Here's a reference picture of the head
![](https://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs067.ash2/36726_132328630120554_100000302545291_221551_3321028_n.jpg)
Basic location and spacing I had in mind.
![](https://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs067.ash2/36726_132328633453887_100000302545291_221552_8176956_n.jpg)
![](https://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs127.snc4/36726_132328636787220_100000302545291_221553_1733866_n.jpg)
After making some measurements (including the difference in the depth of my alternator and the waterpump pulley), I found I needed a 1-1/4" plate and I would have to pick-up a hole on the cylinder head with the spacer plate.
![](https://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs067.ash2/36726_132328653453885_100000302545291_221558_7121413_n.jpg)
Got this big hunk-o-aluminum from Midwest Steel Supply. It's 1-1/4" thick, 6"x8" T6 aluminum and with shipping was surprisingly cheap. I could have ordered a smaller size, but I wanted extra just in case.
![](https://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs127.snc4/36726_132328626787221_100000302545291_221550_208785_n.jpg)
Sorry if these pictures are excessive, but I like them. I layed out the pattern using my existing bracket, made some reference marks for the holes (do not drill these) and marked the inside area where I want the other cylinder head hole to end up.
![](https://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs147.snc4/36726_132328640120553_100000302545291_221554_3986746_n.jpg)
![](https://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs147.snc4/36726_132328643453886_100000302545291_221555_7151993_n.jpg)
![](https://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs147.snc4/36726_132328646787219_100000302545291_221556_6516929_n.jpg)
![](https://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs127.snc4/36726_132328650120552_100000302545291_221557_3616834_n.jpg)
![](https://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs127.snc4/36726_132328656787218_100000302545291_221559_305513_n.jpg)
I managed to find a bandsaw somewhere and cut out the plate. You can hacksaw or jigsaw this, but I wouldn't recommend it.
![](https://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs067.ash2/36726_132328660120551_100000302545291_221560_1318687_n.jpg)
After clamping up the BBC bracket to the spacer plate to use as a drill guide...
![](https://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs067.ash2/36726_132328663453884_100000302545291_221561_5177692_n.jpg)
...I used a 'gunbarrel' drill bit and backdrilled the holes.
![](https://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs067.ash2/36726_132328666787217_100000302545291_221562_6179228_n.jpg)
After measuring out and drilling the third hole, I mocked the spacer and bracket up to the head.
![](https://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs147.snc4/36726_132328670120550_100000302545291_221563_8245816_n.jpg)
![](https://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs127.snc4/36726_132328673453883_100000302545291_221564_3699619_n.jpg)
Used some random fasteners and a few drill bits and mocked everything up. I had a long steel spacer tube from another project that I cut down to 1-1/4" to match the spacer and used it on the tie-rod common-to the cylinder head.
![](https://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs067.ash2/36726_132328676787216_100000302545291_221565_6175864_n.jpg)
![](https://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs147.snc4/36726_132328680120549_100000302545291_221566_1889637_n.jpg)
![](https://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs147.snc4/36726_132328686787215_100000302545291_221568_2552309_n.jpg)
Looks like everything lines up perfectly!
![](https://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs127.snc4/36726_132328683453882_100000302545291_221567_4300862_n.jpg)
Now I need to counter-bore the backside of the outermost hole so I can install that bolt. It interferes with the cylinder head. Then I will de-chrome everything chrome and probably paint the alternator, bracket and spacer an aluminum color so it all looks uniform. And, I need to find a belt...
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Been fighting a terrible summer cold that's knocked me on my *** for the last week! I hope to push the car out tomorrow and clean and paint the engine compartment, then it's time to drop in the motor.
Also, phase II of the power program for this build is coming in the mail.....
Also, phase II of the power program for this build is coming in the mail.....
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Here's what I did today to try to sweat out this terrible summer cold I have. I painted the engine bay in the Camaro. I didn't bother to take anything apart, all I did was degrease everything and I was very selective with the rattle can. Still have this summer cold though.
Also, Phase Two of my power program is coming in the mail. You'll never guess what I bartered to get it.
Here are a couple of before pictures:
![](https://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs001.ash2/33420_135764303110320_100000302545291_233571_5374390_n.jpg)
![](https://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs001.snc4/33420_135764306443653_100000302545291_233572_3924999_n.jpg)
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And now a few after. Remember, this is a toy/race car, not something you'll EVER find at Pebble Beach.
![](https://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs201.snc3/20833_135764343110316_100000302545291_233575_883561_n.jpg)
![](https://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs201.snc3/20833_135764346443649_100000302545291_233576_5815277_n.jpg)
![](https://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs221.snc3/20833_135764353110315_100000302545291_233578_4722402_n.jpg)
I would say the next step is to actually install the engine!
Also, Phase Two of my power program is coming in the mail. You'll never guess what I bartered to get it.
Here are a couple of before pictures:
![](https://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs001.ash2/33420_135764303110320_100000302545291_233571_5374390_n.jpg)
![](https://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs001.snc4/33420_135764306443653_100000302545291_233572_3924999_n.jpg)
![](https://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs001.snc4/33420_135764309776986_100000302545291_233573_4765898_n.jpg)
And now a few after. Remember, this is a toy/race car, not something you'll EVER find at Pebble Beach.
![](https://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs201.snc3/20833_135764343110316_100000302545291_233575_883561_n.jpg)
![](https://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs201.snc3/20833_135764346443649_100000302545291_233576_5815277_n.jpg)
![](https://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs221.snc3/20833_135764353110315_100000302545291_233578_4722402_n.jpg)
I would say the next step is to actually install the engine!
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I found this old video from 3 years ago and thought I'd share it. Still down with bronchitis, so no work on the Camaro.
454, 304 degree adv duration cam, 177 mini blower, open headers.
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu...deoid=48253963
454, 304 degree adv duration cam, 177 mini blower, open headers.
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu...deoid=48253963
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I've got a secret. I'm going to be making more power than I said I would.
![](https://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs171.snc4/37864_139416529411764_100000302545291_250741_666245_n.jpg)
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I worked this weekend, so I didn't have much time to spend on the Camaro. I did get the engine off the stand and onto the engine hoist. While I was trying to install the flexplate I found that the ARP bolts recommended by Summit we standard fine thread instead of M11x1.5. Correct bolts are on the way!
![](https://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs171.snc4/37864_139416529411764_100000302545291_250741_666245_n.jpg)
![](https://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs191.snc4/37864_139416532745097_100000302545291_250742_2331774_n.jpg)
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I worked this weekend, so I didn't have much time to spend on the Camaro. I did get the engine off the stand and onto the engine hoist. While I was trying to install the flexplate I found that the ARP bolts recommended by Summit we standard fine thread instead of M11x1.5. Correct bolts are on the way!