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05-06-2010, 09:21 PM
#41
No, Its nearly impossible to get the tune correct via a mail in order tune. I am new to hp tuners but know my way around it pretty well and If you take 2 cars with identical bolt ons, bottom ends, super/turbo charged/nitrous. I mean same down to the color and you write a custom tune for one and load it in the other it will not perform the same i dont give a damn. My point is that these guys that have done 500000000000000 tune jobs know kind of a ball park of what timing it may like down low and add base air/set tranny parameters/gear changes, BUT you can not do any ve changes/ maf recal/pe table will not be correct/ your car may like 28 degrees of timing and mine will pull kr at 28. But for the most part it will get you started and then see a tuner. Just my imput not trying to start a arguement...
05-06-2010, 10:59 PM
#42
Jesse needs to come in here & comment. As noted, everone makes mistakes & who knows what information about the set up was discussed. To the OP, hope you get it worked out. Good-luck 
05-07-2010, 05:12 AM
#43
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Getting a tune 100% right is one thing, but when it won't even start and drive down the road, that's another. Then when you call him and ask for help, his response is "it's not my tune, I am the greatest tuner on earth, I wrote programs for GM" That is what makes it even worse.
05-07-2010, 06:28 AM
#44
I didn't see anybody post any of these bad tunes, preferably as a true BIN file, so anybody could open it, hopefully along with the list of mods, they told him, they had.
A mail order tune can only be as good as the info supplied to the tuner
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05-08-2010, 02:54 AM
#45
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not that its really worth much, but I had a harness done by jesse. It looked like complete ****. Nothing was routed nicely at all. For instance, starter trigger wires ran from drivers side under the balancer, then to the starter. Could have easily ran it in loom down the backside of the passenger side of the engine. Bulky bulk head wire connections, etc etc. Maybe he is better now? He did a mail order tune on my car. The car ran great. My only beef was my rev limiter was setup so it closed the throttle body(DBW) so it took forever for the car to recover from hitting the limiter. It is now changed to control the limiter by spark/timing
05-08-2010, 09:05 AM
#46
No, Its nearly impossible to get the tune correct via a mail in order tune. I am new to hp tuners but know my way around it pretty well and If you take 2 cars with identical bolt ons, bottom ends, super/turbo charged/nitrous. I mean same down to the color and you write a custom tune for one and load it in the other it will not perform the same i dont give a damn. My point is that these guys that have done 500000000000000 tune jobs know kind of a ball park of what timing it may like down low and add base air/set tranny parameters/gear changes, BUT you can not do any ve changes/ maf recal/pe table will not be correct/ your car may like 28 degrees of timing and mine will pull kr at 28. But for the most part it will get you started and then see a tuner. Just my imput not trying to start a arguement...
I can see where the more performance mods put on the motor the more demanding the tune. But for the average swap with usually little more than an exhaust and maybe cam it seems like getting something that runs as well as a stocker should be doable.
There is a guy at Pro Systems who is earning quite a reputation for sellling mail order carbs and nailing the set up on the first try. Hard to believe that FI is that much harder to predict than a carb.
05-08-2010, 11:24 AM
#47
Trying to continue your discussion, surely by correct tune you are talking getting the last few percent of performance out of the tune. I mean, car manufactures sell millions of cars and they sure aren't hand tuning each one of them.
I can see where the more performance mods put on the motor the more demanding the tune. But for the average swap with usually little more than an exhaust and maybe cam it seems like getting something that runs as well as a stocker should be doable.
There is a guy at Pro Systems who is earning quite a reputation for sellling mail order carbs and nailing the set up on the first try. Hard to believe that FI is that much harder to predict than a carb.
Thats why you have some fbodys that run 8.5 all the way to 9.3. And no its nearly impossible i dont give a damn. lol
I can see where the more performance mods put on the motor the more demanding the tune. But for the average swap with usually little more than an exhaust and maybe cam it seems like getting something that runs as well as a stocker should be doable.
There is a guy at Pro Systems who is earning quite a reputation for sellling mail order carbs and nailing the set up on the first try. Hard to believe that FI is that much harder to predict than a carb.
Thats why you have some fbodys that run 8.5 all the way to 9.3. And no its nearly impossible i dont give a damn. lol
05-08-2010, 11:51 AM
#48
Again, yes, that was my point when I stated it.
05-08-2010, 12:00 PM
#49
It's great that a guy sells pre-tuned carbs. However, the two are as different as night & day. There are far more variables in the PCM tune that are not covered under the term "FI" (fuel injection) & that are not tunable w/ a simple carb installation. The PCM tune is not just a stand alone fuel injector controller. How many carb swaps are emissions legal?
05-08-2010, 05:52 PM
#51
i just sent out my pcm to jesse to flash for my e36 lsx conversion due to your good result from his tune. plus when i talked to him he sounds like kool
person. i should be getting my pcm next week sometime and i'm positive about it
05-09-2010, 10:18 PM
#52
not that its really worth much, but I had a harness done by jesse. It looked like complete ****. Nothing was routed nicely at all. For instance, starter trigger wires ran from drivers side under the balancer, then to the starter. Could have easily ran it in loom down the backside of the passenger side of the engine.
06-06-2010, 12:28 AM
#53
Jesse reworked my harness and loaded a tune onto the pcm for my 98' LS1 and I have had no problems with it. But just like the cars that come off the assy line, some days are better than others, no one person is flawless all the time. But customer service should always be #1 priority when you call yourself offering a service to the consumer.
06-06-2010, 10:43 PM
#56
The cost of 97-98 LS1 PCMs has gotten so high that I don't keep them on hand for resale anymore. You see a 97-98 go cheap here and there on this board or eBay, but any place that deals with them regularly knows that they are getting pretty costly.
06-07-2010, 12:58 AM
#58
They were only available in 2 years worth of cars... the 99-02 PCMs were in cars, trucks, vans, and more. The 97-98 PCMs are the most 'tanked' PCMs during flashing. I have never junked one, but have read about many that have.
06-07-2010, 02:55 AM
#59
Yeah, well your 98 PCM is worth at LEAST 3x the amount of 99-02 PCMs right now so I'm sure he (or any tuner) would have been happy to do that.
The cost of 97-98 LS1 PCMs has gotten so high that I don't keep them on hand for resale anymore. You see a 97-98 go cheap here and there on this board or eBay, but any place that deals with them regularly knows that they are getting pretty costly.
The cost of 97-98 LS1 PCMs has gotten so high that I don't keep them on hand for resale anymore. You see a 97-98 go cheap here and there on this board or eBay, but any place that deals with them regularly knows that they are getting pretty costly.
