painiting radiators
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painiting radiators Has anyone painted their radiator?
I am putting a used corvette radiator in my 65 impala and am not thrilled with the little oxidation of the radiator and was thinking a little paint would dress it up.
Any pros or cons?
Thanks in advance.
I am putting a used corvette radiator in my 65 impala and am not thrilled with the little oxidation of the radiator and was thinking a little paint would dress it up.
Any pros or cons?
Thanks in advance.
I'm not sure how much of a difference it would make, but in theory the paint will act as a barrier between the ambient air and the coolant inside the radiator. The paint will reduce the radiator's ability to transfer its heat to the air.
I was under the impression that black helped radiate heat (help carry heat away), that's the reason radiators were painted black for decades. Have you ever leaned against a black car that's been out in the sun - ouch!, or noticed the red, blue, or white car next to it didn't feel nearly as hot. Cost cutting measures from manufactures eliminated the use of black paint on radiators, especially when aluminum radiators became popular, they wanted to show-off the aluminum construction (latest technology).
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I am pretty sure that a black car in the sun is so hot because it absorbs the heat - it holds onto the heat energy from the sun. Radiators are trying to give heat away to the air, not hold onto it.
I think for optimal performance, the bare aluminum (or copper, whatever you're using) is going to transfer the heat the best. Like said earlier, painting is probably going to have a negligible impact.
I would be interested to see if Nextel Cup or F1 teams were using painted or bare metal radiators.
I think for optimal performance, the bare aluminum (or copper, whatever you're using) is going to transfer the heat the best. Like said earlier, painting is probably going to have a negligible impact.
I would be interested to see if Nextel Cup or F1 teams were using painted or bare metal radiators.
I was under the impression that black helped radiate heat (help carry heat away), that's the reason radiators were painted black for decades. Have you ever leaned against a black car that's been out in the sun - ouch!, or noticed the red, blue, or white car next to it didn't feel nearly as hot. Cost cutting measures from manufactures eliminated the use of black paint on radiators, especially when aluminum radiators became popular, they wanted to show-off the aluminum construction (latest technology).
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Verdad Gallardo There was an article in car craft years ago, again it's just one article I read, that stated painting your block black actually helps w/ heat dissipation, I assume the same for anything that *produces* heat.
The main reason any metal is ever painted is for corrosion resistance then aesthetics, aluminum doesn't have that much of an issue as copper w/ corrosion.
The main reason any metal is ever painted is for corrosion resistance then aesthetics, aluminum doesn't have that much of an issue as copper w/ corrosion.
I painted mine with the eastwood paint
It came out very nice, just make sure to get the fins from all angles so it looks covered...
I'll post a few pics of how it turned out tomorrow
It came out very nice, just make sure to get the fins from all angles so it looks covered...
I'll post a few pics of how it turned out tomorrow
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ordered my Eastwood paint. usually try to stay away from big brand names for stuff like this but will see this time.
in this little lesson I have read several articles about heat transfer and black is supposed to help. From my posts here and on other boards, the car is not supposed to get any hotter than normal with the pain.
Another thing to consider for the no paint school of thought is that the oxidation on the aluminum is also something that will cut down on surface area of heat transfer. Oxidation on a molecular level is a poor conductor of heat.
Thanks as always.
in this little lesson I have read several articles about heat transfer and black is supposed to help. From my posts here and on other boards, the car is not supposed to get any hotter than normal with the pain.
Another thing to consider for the no paint school of thought is that the oxidation on the aluminum is also something that will cut down on surface area of heat transfer. Oxidation on a molecular level is a poor conductor of heat.
Thanks as always.
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ordered my Eastwood paint. usually try to stay away from big brand names for stuff like this but will see this time.
in this little lesson I have read several articles about heat transfer and black is supposed to help. From my posts here and on other boards, the car is not supposed to get any hotter than normal with the pain.
Another thing to consider for the no paint school of thought is that the oxidation on the aluminum is also something that will cut down on surface area of heat transfer. Oxidation on a molecular level is a poor conductor of heat.
Thanks as always.
in this little lesson I have read several articles about heat transfer and black is supposed to help. From my posts here and on other boards, the car is not supposed to get any hotter than normal with the pain.
Another thing to consider for the no paint school of thought is that the oxidation on the aluminum is also something that will cut down on surface area of heat transfer. Oxidation on a molecular level is a poor conductor of heat.
Thanks as always.
Nextel Cup and F1 are great examples (pioneers, even) of what automotive performance technology works best, not what looks best!
Heck, if winning Nextel Cup teams started putting truck nutz on their cars to make them go faster or hold the road better, it would at least be worth looking into! Well maybe that's a little extreme, but you get the idea...
Heck, if winning Nextel Cup teams started putting truck nutz on their cars to make them go faster or hold the road better, it would at least be worth looking into! Well maybe that's a little extreme, but you get the idea...
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Black paint helps radiate heat. The old electromotive racing Datsuns use to paint every engine part black.
Same reason they painted the SR71 spy plane black. Even though it added 200 pounds the added cooling actually allowed the plane to go faster.
Same reason they painted the SR71 spy plane black. Even though it added 200 pounds the added cooling actually allowed the plane to go faster.
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The black paint on the SR 71 was a anti-radiation coating for radar. It was black because they thought it was harder to see, now they use dark gray. Same for subs. 200# meant nothing to a 100 ft 2000 mph plane
Any uncoated part will rust or oxidize. The trick is not to put to heavy a coat on as then it is acts like an insulator.
Any uncoated part will rust or oxidize. The trick is not to put to heavy a coat on as then it is acts like an insulator.
I got the info on the SR71 paint from Ben Rich's book "Skunk Works". Since he and Kelly Johnson designed and built the thing I figure he must know what he was talking about.
Kelly Johnson seemed very concerned about the 200#.
Excellent book by the way.
Kelly Johnson seemed very concerned about the 200#.
Excellent book by the way.
just general physics i guess...
darker color absorbs heat faster then lighter color...but it also dissipate heat faster then lighter color...
very reason y desert are hot as heo in the morning...and cold *** shiet in the nite...and places around water takes a longer time to heat up in comparison and also takes a longer time to cool down...
same principles....
darker color absorbs heat faster then lighter color...but it also dissipate heat faster then lighter color...
very reason y desert are hot as heo in the morning...and cold *** shiet in the nite...and places around water takes a longer time to heat up in comparison and also takes a longer time to cool down...
same principles....