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Old Sep 6, 2012 | 11:06 AM
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I would love to make use of a low mount compressor but do not have the room with my current set up to run the typical low mount off of the back belt location or even to run a low drive on the main belt.

So I have been thinking about how great it would be to have a balancer that could work with my current vette accessory spacing (or close to it) driven off of the rear pulley groove and a low mount AC compressor driven off of the front grove.

I know I am not the only one to have considered this but have not seen it in other builds. Does such a thing exist? Am I missing any simple but significant technical hurdles?
If such a thing does not exist is it possible to make use of the rear groove on say a F body or Truck balancer for my main belt potentially with some minor spacing out of my current Vette placement accessories. I have been looking for a good breakdown of the measurments for these balancers comparing mounting depth, front and rear belt placement but have not found the information I want.
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Old Sep 6, 2012 | 02:15 PM
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First thing that comes to mind is the rear pulley is four rib and I don't know where you would get a four rib belt that long.

Why not run everything from the same belt and do that on the front grove?
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Old Sep 6, 2012 | 07:39 PM
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This is S&P's low mount, single belt Sanden 508 setup for a C-5 FEAD:



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Old Sep 28, 2017 | 02:06 PM
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Hey Russ, do you have this setup that uses one belt for all accessories, including the low mount AC compressor?
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Old Sep 28, 2017 | 03:01 PM
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If you are asking about Speed and Performance's parts, they are out of business. Also, you are responding to a 5-year old post.
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Old Sep 28, 2017 | 09:27 PM
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Hey Russ, do you have this setup that uses one belt for all accessories, including the low mount AC compressor?
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Yup, one belt on a C5 FEAD. Be aware that the (my) factory tensioner will not control the belt, I needed one that manually adjusted. Sadly as G Atsma said, S&P is gone, there may be others such as ICT Billet who do the low-mount though. If all else fails, I drew the bracket up in Coreldraw (vector prog)...
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Old Sep 29, 2017 | 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by G Atsma
If you are asking about Speed and Performance's parts, they are out of business. Also, you are responding to a 5-year old post.
I am aware of both. thanks
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Old Sep 29, 2017 | 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by S10xGN
Yup, one belt on a C5 FEAD. Be aware that the (my) factory tensioner will not control the belt, I needed one that manually adjusted. Sadly as G Atsma said, S&P is gone, there may be others such as ICT Billet who do the low-mount though. If all else fails, I drew the bracket up in Coreldraw (vector prog)...
I have been trying to come up with something also, using Siemens CAD tool NX (formerly Unigraphics). I am trying to come up with something to use the smaller SD7 compressor.

Odd balancer question-w9zrisx.jpg

Why won't the OEM tensioner work? By chance, do you have any more detailed pictures of it you would share?

Thanks.
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Stock tensioner worked fine until you turned on the A/C, that caused the belt to gyrate/jump around on the clutch pulley. A swap to a manual tensioner cured it completely. Here's the drawing for the 508 compressor bracket that is (was) used with the S&P kit. There was a thread on here a year or so back where someone was looking for a setup for the SD7...
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I came up with something for the top that I can weld from flat steel & a tube.

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What's the bottom bracket look like & are the brackets for the pulleys separate or incorporated into the bottom bracket?

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Scot, curious what mounts you have used and have you test fit the truck compressor?
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Old Sep 30, 2017 | 04:35 PM
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Samckitt,
that looks like the AlanGrooveComponebts kit I have. But its mounted off the back pulley


http://www.alangrovecomponents.com/i...2R_Closeup.jpg
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Old Sep 30, 2017 | 08:48 PM
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Google or search eBay for dirty dingo low mount alt. It will fit all 3 FEAD spacings and uses the small sd7b10 compressor.
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Originally Posted by jmd
Scot, curious what mounts you have used and have you test fit the truck compressor?
Currently I have 1" setback plates from Transdapt. No way the SD7 will fit with them without major cutting of the front crossmember. I have the Holley motor mounts as well, but they interfere with the compressor, using their bracket for Vette spacing. I have compared the truck compressor to the SD7 & it is longer than the SD7, making condition worse.
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Old Oct 1, 2017 | 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Jimbo1367
Samckitt,
that looks like the AlanGrooveComponebts kit I have. But its mounted off the back pulley


http://www.alangrovecomponents.com/i...2R_Closeup.jpg
Yep, that's what I based the design off of. Simple enough to make & weld up. But spaced it forward more to line up with the main belt with Vette spacing.
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Originally Posted by dfred
Google or search eBay for dirty dingo low mount alt. It will fit all 3 FEAD spacings and uses the small sd7b10 compressor.
Interferes with Monte front crossmember & motor mounts.
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Old Oct 1, 2017 | 08:20 AM
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This ATI damper would solve all my problems, but I am not a celebrity like Mark Steilow, so they won't make one for me.

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Not sure if it helps, but a guy cut additional belt grooves into his balancer to get 8. https://ls1tech.com/forums/forced-in...ke-budget.html

You could do something similar to get two sets of 6. Maybe start with a truck balancer so it is longer and pushes the forward get of grooves out further.


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Old Oct 1, 2017 | 09:05 AM
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Thanks, not sure how that would help.

Another thought I had (but don't really want to do it), is to push the vette accessories out to the truck spacing (same as the SC), & put them all on the same belt. And put AC at the truck location. Would have to convert all accessories to 8 rib pulleys, or use a 6 rib belt, which will probably slip.

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Originally Posted by samckitt
...What's the bottom bracket look like & are the brackets for the pulleys separate or incorporated into the bottom bracket?

Thanks.
Scot, I don't remember and I won't be home until the 20th. I recall your thread from before about the interference, why not section the x-mem until it fits, then reinforce it? Hot-rodders are pretty good at "making things fit"...
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