DIY Harness,need wiring instructions.
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If you look at the bottom right corner of this diagram you'll see, for example, the ORG/WHT wire coming out of pin 73 becomes RED after the connector into ignition coil 2 CTRL. Ignition coil 7 also has red from it's CTRL, but it becomes ORG (no stripe) going back to pin 72. Those kinds of colors changes are what I was referring to.
My harness is from an '07 LY6.
My harness is from an '07 LY6.
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I held out and caught a Packard crimp tool (repair type) on greedBay when I did my E38. If you don't have it already here's link to the J-38125 manual
http://www.weber.edu/wsuimages/autom...%20Booklet.pdf
Note Pin 73 on X1 is a different terminal with a different crimp.
http://www.weber.edu/wsuimages/autom...%20Booklet.pdf
Note Pin 73 on X1 is a different terminal with a different crimp.
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Technically "no", but I didn't try it. The crimp bed on the MX tooling looks tighter than the MP tooling. Comparing the terminals the crimp wings are shorter on the MX terminals and do not have fingers like the MP terms.
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Anyone here ever delete the coil pack connector and just 'hardwire' them into the harness??
I was looking at my harness layout on the motor and wanted to try and make it a little cleaner.
For example all the pink wires, well all the wires actually to each coil pack run into a splice. And then into one wire for the connector pin.
Was trying to figure out if I should splice them like this...
Not trying to look pretty, just example. Of course I would solder all splices
![](http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb456/RELL88SS/Wiring%20Harness/DSC_0215.jpg)
Or maybe like this, all the wires meet in the middle there with a little solder. Doubt I could ever get it like the factory splice where there is no solder at all I believe. So 4 lines to each coil, then stepped down into one wire that leads to the PCM.
This slice has some adhesive heat shrink tape around it, then some 1/4in clear adhesive lined dual wall heat shrink over it, tried to make it as sealed as possible from water, then some cheap thin black heat shrink I have over all that. Went a little OD I guess.![Grin](https://ls1tech.com/forums/images/smilies/LS1Tech/gr_grin.gif)
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I was looking at my harness layout on the motor and wanted to try and make it a little cleaner.
For example all the pink wires, well all the wires actually to each coil pack run into a splice. And then into one wire for the connector pin.
Was trying to figure out if I should splice them like this...
Not trying to look pretty, just example. Of course I would solder all splices
![](http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb456/RELL88SS/Wiring%20Harness/DSC_0215.jpg)
Or maybe like this, all the wires meet in the middle there with a little solder. Doubt I could ever get it like the factory splice where there is no solder at all I believe. So 4 lines to each coil, then stepped down into one wire that leads to the PCM.
This slice has some adhesive heat shrink tape around it, then some 1/4in clear adhesive lined dual wall heat shrink over it, tried to make it as sealed as possible from water, then some cheap thin black heat shrink I have over all that. Went a little OD I guess.
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Went with option #2
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Not to bring back the argument, but I bought a set of $70 "repair" crimpers like the ones above (bottom of photo) from Waytek. I made some practice crimps on Metripack 280, Metripack 150, and Molex MX64 terminals. I can see why the "production" dies (top of photo) are so desireable. They have locators that keep the terminal from twisting. My 280 crimps look great - every bit as good as the factory ones. My 150 crimps look good, but they are not perfectly symmetric because the terminals sometimes rotate a bit as they engage the "W" crimp. My MX64 crimps are pretty bad - they do not follow the "W" very well in the die and often rotate over. I think a little prebending with needle nose would help, but it's got me thinking more about extending my existing wires instead of making fresh ones end to end.
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You could buy the correct Delphi repair tool on Ebay and sell it when you're done for about the same price. Less than $100, less time and better quality than a bunch of splices. Heck I should rent mine out
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It's entirely possible to make a quality termination with repair tooling but it takes time and some skill.
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Rotating terminal is sometimes a problem with the Delphi repair tools because of the way the jaws close - you learn to work around it. Ironically the cheapo tool is parallel jaw. I don't see a crimp tool for MX64 terminals in Waytek's current online catalog, which are you using on those terminals?
What do you do as a work around to prevent the terminal from rotating?
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J-38125-641, the repair pdf I linked earlier shows it.
Alldata calls out the proper crimp nest for the respective terminals.
And +1 for your deleted comments!
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Problem solved! The part number posted above will get you the kent moore tool for that terminal!
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Thanks 71403 for the help! I found one of those on eBay for $65 and jumped on it. I'll give your "pre-rotation" technique a try too.
On an unrelated note, are the GT 150 crimps different from the metri-pack 150 crimps? I made the rookie mistake of buying MP 150 terminals which are incorrect for most of the connectors I'm running onto.
On an unrelated note, are the GT 150 crimps different from the metri-pack 150 crimps? I made the rookie mistake of buying MP 150 terminals which are incorrect for most of the connectors I'm running onto.
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Thanks 71403 for the help! I found one of those on eBay for $65 and jumped on it. I'll give your "pre-rotation" technique a try too.
On an unrelated note, are the GT 150 crimps different from the metri-pack 150 crimps? I made the rookie mistake of buying MP 150 terminals which are incorrect for most of the connectors I'm running onto.
On an unrelated note, are the GT 150 crimps different from the metri-pack 150 crimps? I made the rookie mistake of buying MP 150 terminals which are incorrect for most of the connectors I'm running onto.
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If you truly wanted to help the community which you denigrate as "lurkers", you could have posted the J-38125 manual, provided the information for the correct tool, or even posted the correct crimp nest designations for the MX64 terminals.
Too bad you didn't step up to the plate, instead you used my knowledge (again) as an excuse to plug your business.
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So much for "unsubscribed". Enough is enough: your incessant commenting about soldering the repair connections is nothing more than a bump for your wiring business. Editing your reply to remove the comment really doesn't say much for your professional conduct.
If you truly wanted to help the community which you denigrate as "lurkers", you could have posted the J-38125 manual, provided the information for the correct tool, or even posted the correct crimp nest designations for the MX64 terminals.
Too bad you didn't step up to the plate, instead you used my knowledge (again) as an excuse to plug your business.
If you truly wanted to help the community which you denigrate as "lurkers", you could have posted the J-38125 manual, provided the information for the correct tool, or even posted the correct crimp nest designations for the MX64 terminals.
Too bad you didn't step up to the plate, instead you used my knowledge (again) as an excuse to plug your business.
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I did unsubscribe, but I saw his reply in the thread and answered his question. Did this in anyway warrant you trying to flame me? No. Have I been unprofessional in anyway? No. I simply deleted what I had put into the thread, and from what you stated wasnt much- so no loss anyway. Right?
Ill let you take the reins from here!
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Thanks BP. It looks like the MP 150 crimper I have (Waytek #509, Delphi 12155975) is working okay for the GT 150 wire crimp, but the MP 150 seal cavity is too big for the seal. Given the less critical nature of the seal crimp, I may just carefully fudge it a bit with some pliers or even some ordinary household wiring crimpers - I probaby have something with a round cavity that would work.