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General swap questions For you guys doing motor swaps and having true "projects", how do you go about doing it? I'm asking because my wife and I are THINKING about finding a project car to do a swap and "turn into our own". Something to wrench on/learn together.
I am very mechanically inclined (with exception to building a motor/trans since I have not tackled that yet) and she knows enough about cars to be involved.
She/we come from Corvette family/friends from C2's to C5's. We thought it would be cool to find a C3 and work on it.
Goals of the car would be:
1)Build a weekend toy/autocross car
2)Decent body and OK with it remaining in primer black for all I care.
3)Interior will be minimal. Keep original dash/cluster if it works, race steering wheel, dual race seats, no AC (may retain heat option)
4)"full suspension"...coilover route
5)Adequate brakes
I see A LARGE range of cars going through conversions. I'd like some insight on do's/don'ts on approaching this. There would be no completion date set and will be 100% money driven. Build/work on it when funds become available.
We are currently autocrossing/DDing my 95 Camaro Z28 and it has been fun, but to build a C3 and have a true project has always been something I wanted to do. I'm just wondering if we are asking for a world of financial headache going with a C3 lol.
I am very mechanically inclined (with exception to building a motor/trans since I have not tackled that yet) and she knows enough about cars to be involved.
She/we come from Corvette family/friends from C2's to C5's. We thought it would be cool to find a C3 and work on it.
Goals of the car would be:
1)Build a weekend toy/autocross car
2)Decent body and OK with it remaining in primer black for all I care.
3)Interior will be minimal. Keep original dash/cluster if it works, race steering wheel, dual race seats, no AC (may retain heat option)
4)"full suspension"...coilover route
5)Adequate brakes
I see A LARGE range of cars going through conversions. I'd like some insight on do's/don'ts on approaching this. There would be no completion date set and will be 100% money driven. Build/work on it when funds become available.
We are currently autocrossing/DDing my 95 Camaro Z28 and it has been fun, but to build a C3 and have a true project has always been something I wanted to do. I'm just wondering if we are asking for a world of financial headache going with a C3 lol.
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I have a LSx in a Range Rover, took a couple of years with wrenching on it as and when I had time.
Thinking your question is a little open ended though. Will obviously depend on what you start with etc.
Martin
Thinking your question is a little open ended though. Will obviously depend on what you start with etc.
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I wouldn't think a C3 would be any more expensive to swap than other cars from that era. They don't seem to be all that expensive. One of these days I'm going to run across the right deal and pick one up myself
C3 interior parts don't weather very well so going without would save some money.
C3 interior parts don't weather very well so going without would save some money.
C3s are pretty straightforward. I used a Fbody LS1/T56 dropout and the only thing modified on the entire powertrain was the waterpump
Specific LS C3 parts are expensive, but they dont have to be. Use common 1" setback SBC adapter plates. If you can weld thin walled steel, then modify a set of SBC headers. DIY trans crossmember for sure, the aftermarket one I used had to be modified extensively. Shorten the DS, standard stuff. Simple stand alone harness of your choice. Inline fuel pump and AN6 lines tank to fuel rails. High mount AC is your only option. 98-02 Fbody radiators/fans fit nicely in the stock support
Specific LS C3 parts are expensive, but they dont have to be. Use common 1" setback SBC adapter plates. If you can weld thin walled steel, then modify a set of SBC headers. DIY trans crossmember for sure, the aftermarket one I used had to be modified extensively. Shorten the DS, standard stuff. Simple stand alone harness of your choice. Inline fuel pump and AN6 lines tank to fuel rails. High mount AC is your only option. 98-02 Fbody radiators/fans fit nicely in the stock support
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I wouldn't think a C3 would be any more expensive to swap than other cars from that era. They don't seem to be all that expensive. One of these days I'm going to run across the right deal and pick one up myself
C3 interior parts don't weather very well so going without would save some money.
C3 interior parts don't weather very well so going without would save some money.
C3s are pretty straightforward. I used a Fbody LS1/T56 dropout and the only thing modified on the entire powertrain was the waterpump
Specific LS C3 parts are expensive, but they dont have to be. Use common 1" setback SBC adapter plates. If you can weld thin walled steel, then modify a set of SBC headers. DIY trans crossmember for sure, the aftermarket one I used had to be modified extensively. Shorten the DS, standard stuff. Simple stand alone harness of your choice. Inline fuel pump and AN6 lines tank to fuel rails. High mount AC is your only option. 98-02 Fbody radiators/fans fit nicely in the stock support
Specific LS C3 parts are expensive, but they dont have to be. Use common 1" setback SBC adapter plates. If you can weld thin walled steel, then modify a set of SBC headers. DIY trans crossmember for sure, the aftermarket one I used had to be modified extensively. Shorten the DS, standard stuff. Simple stand alone harness of your choice. Inline fuel pump and AN6 lines tank to fuel rails. High mount AC is your only option. 98-02 Fbody radiators/fans fit nicely in the stock support
Your description makes it seem very promising and easy to do. Nothing outside my mechanical capability or home garage space/tool availability.
If I'm looking at easy, I would buy a LS camaro LOL. But honestly I can't stand C4 interior and lets be honest, a C3 with a road race/autocross setup is A LOT more badass than a C4... You don't see many C3's running around and even less that have been "built to race".
Basically any swap you do will be an improvement. LT1's will be even easier because the SBC mounts and exhaust will already be set
FWIW, C4s are more race-worthy than C3's. Sure, they're boring to look at but there wasnt anything of the era that could out corner them short of a purpose built race car. C3's are excessively heavy and have floppy frames, a very dated (at the time) suspension and poor build quality
Also, the C3 was easier to drop the engine into than a C4. Both have a ton of access, just the C3 has a mostly empty engine bay. That goes for any older vehicle
FWIW, C4s are more race-worthy than C3's. Sure, they're boring to look at but there wasnt anything of the era that could out corner them short of a purpose built race car. C3's are excessively heavy and have floppy frames, a very dated (at the time) suspension and poor build quality
Also, the C3 was easier to drop the engine into than a C4. Both have a ton of access, just the C3 has a mostly empty engine bay. That goes for any older vehicle
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Head on over to corvetteforum.com,your head will spin with all the info over there.I like your idea,find a neglected but not rusty C3 and turn it into a bare bones LS/T56 (don't waste your time with the LT1) street/autocross car.Since you are not concerned with paint/body and correct interior that would cost a ton of cash,you should be able to scrounge up a pile of used race car parts and put something together for a reasonable price.
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This would be a fun project. I actually picked up a 1974 L-82 C3 to flip last year for $2500 so they can be found cheap. I ended up restoring it and selling it, but I was very tempted to do the LS swap in it. Also, you can find the 5.3 truck motors dirt cheap, but it's not always the route to go. In the long run they can dollar you to death after swapping intake, pan and accessories to fit.
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Basically any swap you do will be an improvement. LT1's will be even easier because the SBC mounts and exhaust will already be set
FWIW, C4s are more race-worthy than C3's. Sure, they're boring to look at but there wasnt anything of the era that could out corner them short of a purpose built race car. C3's are excessively heavy and have floppy frames, a very dated (at the time) suspension and poor build quality
Also, the C3 was easier to drop the engine into than a C4. Both have a ton of access, just the C3 has a mostly empty engine bay. That goes for any older vehicle
FWIW, C4s are more race-worthy than C3's. Sure, they're boring to look at but there wasnt anything of the era that could out corner them short of a purpose built race car. C3's are excessively heavy and have floppy frames, a very dated (at the time) suspension and poor build quality
Also, the C3 was easier to drop the engine into than a C4. Both have a ton of access, just the C3 has a mostly empty engine bay. That goes for any older vehicle
Head on over to corvetteforum.com,your head will spin with all the info over there.I like your idea,find a neglected but not rusty C3 and turn it into a bare bones LS/T56 (don't waste your time with the LT1) street/autocross car.Since you are not concerned with paint/body and correct interior that would cost a ton of cash,you should be able to scrounge up a pile of used race car parts and put something together for a reasonable price.
This would be a fun project. I actually picked up a 1974 L-82 C3 to flip last year for $2500 so they can be found cheap. I ended up restoring it and selling it, but I was very tempted to do the LS swap in it. Also, you can find the 5.3 truck motors dirt cheap, but it's not always the route to go. In the long run they can dollar you to death after swapping intake, pan and accessories to fit.
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Well went to see my father in law who owns a body shop specializing in corvette's. Was a great source of knowledge comparing different year C2's and C3's.
Left there with prices for a bushing rebuild kit, caliper rebuild kit and front sway bar. The rest would be up to us for shock/sprng selection and motor.
Hardest part I see is the integration of a modern engine in a old platform...all new gauges since factory gauges are mechanical and also wiring/mounting the PCM/fuse panel. Also be interesting to use a hydraulic clutch setup. My plan is to use a Fbody setup since it is easy to find and hopefully mount in the space a C3 has.
Overall the plans have changed to retain factory suspension setup (although replacing all bushings) as well as factory fixed 4 piston calipers. This will only save me money which I'm happy about.
Still a LONG way from doing this but just wanted to update and thank people that chimed in. Going to have to "plan out" cost-wise a LT1 and LS1 build. Spend less on LT1 but mod it (LE1 or 2 H/C package) to equal LS1 territory, or spend more up front and just drop in a LS1 untouched. I'd be happy with 330hp/350tq which is what my 04 M6 GTO made when I owned it.
Left there with prices for a bushing rebuild kit, caliper rebuild kit and front sway bar. The rest would be up to us for shock/sprng selection and motor.
Hardest part I see is the integration of a modern engine in a old platform...all new gauges since factory gauges are mechanical and also wiring/mounting the PCM/fuse panel. Also be interesting to use a hydraulic clutch setup. My plan is to use a Fbody setup since it is easy to find and hopefully mount in the space a C3 has.
Overall the plans have changed to retain factory suspension setup (although replacing all bushings) as well as factory fixed 4 piston calipers. This will only save me money which I'm happy about.
Still a LONG way from doing this but just wanted to update and thank people that chimed in. Going to have to "plan out" cost-wise a LT1 and LS1 build. Spend less on LT1 but mod it (LE1 or 2 H/C package) to equal LS1 territory, or spend more up front and just drop in a LS1 untouched. I'd be happy with 330hp/350tq which is what my 04 M6 GTO made when I owned it.
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I'm doing a LS2 swap into a 1965 chevy C10 right now. Actually depending on what your wanting goal wise I'm reusing my factory gauges Auto meter makes an adapter kit to use mechanical gauges with ls swaps. Just an FYI. But in my opinion aftermarket gauges will probably be more accurate and better reading than old style gauges anyways. I also wouldn't waste time on LT1 swap, make the LS engine be in budget. Even a 4.8 or 5.3 turbo build would be fun.