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Old Feb 16, 2016 | 11:34 AM
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I figured since I am always using this site for information on my build that I should start a thread for it.

I am working on the second version of this swap since I spun a bearing and the turbo was undersized, but here is the beginning.


The car is a 2004 Mazda RX8. I picked up the car with a "blown motor" for cheap, but it turned out to just need to be de-carbed and I was able to drive it off the trailer and used it for about 3 weeks.


















But now it was time to start the build. The plan was to do a LM7 with a 4l60e and a turbo.








I made mounts similar to the CXRacing kit. I got the motor as low as possible by using a couple magazines for spacers and setting it on the subframe. I then tacked everything in place and removed for extra gussets and welding.
























Turbo Piping was made by modifying truck manifolds and with 2-1/2" pipe. I didn't want to wait for bends so I just pie cut everything. I should have just got the bends after how long it took to weld everything. And after more research I should have used 2" for the crossover.

















Turbo is a H1C from a Cummins diesel. This turbo is too small for the application, but it was what I had at the time so I tried it out. It made boost quick but dropped pressure at the top end.











Here is the engine installed and a Ebay SBC radiator with custom brackets. Intercooler piping is 2-1/2". I also made a filler and port for the steam tube.










Tuning was done with HPTuners using a 3 bar SD OS. Testing was going well until a tick developed on the motor. I took it out for another run thinking it might be lifter noise, tick got louder and engine seized.
The car sat like this since September until a few weeks ago when I started on version 2.0










Next post will have the latest engine details.


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Old Feb 16, 2016 | 11:43 AM
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I picked up a 2010 LC9 aluminum 5.3 for $400, disassembled the engine, had the crank polished and swapped reluctor wheels.
I installed new bearings and a LS9 cam, I also plugged off the DOD ports on the block with set screws and a little ultra black.

I also got a new front cover and timing sprocket for the camshaft.















GT45 Turbo was purchased off Ebay and was much better suited for this engine.

I wanted to change the turbo location and keep all the hotside pipes hidden so I decided to place it where the alternator was located.

















I used the truck manifolds again but after seeing the final manifold I wish I had just used elbows and made one from scratch. If this location works I might rebuild it later.




















Crossover was built with 2" mandrel bends and the wastegate is located beside the oil pan.













Downpipe is 3" mandrel bends








Turbo drain was in a tight location so I clocked the turbo 20 degrees and with a 30 degree cut on the pipe this allowed for a 10 degree slope on the drain.













This is what I have done so far, I think I am just about ready to pull the old motor since the mock up is complete. I also plan on re-wiring the engine so the PCM in inside the car and I need to run new fuel lines to allow for a boost referenced regulator.


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Old Feb 16, 2016 | 07:29 PM
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That manifold looks tons better than the other poop I have seen on some builds. Nice to see someone building something that is safe and reliable.

Salute and carry on !
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Old Feb 16, 2016 | 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by aknovaman
That manifold looks tons better than the other poop I have seen on some builds. Nice to see someone building something that is safe and reliable.

Salute and carry on !
I am not sure if you are being sarcastic or not lol.

I might test something out in sketchup to see how it would look with a flange and pipe weld elbows and how much work it would be to build.


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Old Feb 16, 2016 | 07:40 PM
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Very serious. I know its not show quality TIG welded stainless but its functional and looks clean and reliable.
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Old Feb 16, 2016 | 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by aknovaman
Very serious. I know its not show quality TIG welded stainless but its functional and looks clean and reliable.
Thank you.


I am thinking if I do rebuild it I might try something like this





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Old Feb 17, 2016 | 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Dave3891
Thank you.


I am thinking if I do rebuild it I might try something like this





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I like the manifold design, I'd make the #2 cyl just join the log like the rest and make the turn into the turbo constant radius

look at the old turbo buick v6 manifolds very similar design and they work pretty good.

nice project! the turbo Fds are all the rage but the little RX8 is affordable and has a very nice setup!
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Old Feb 17, 2016 | 09:02 AM
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Good work engine looks great in there!
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Looking forward to updates. Love the Rx-8 seats too.
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I think I am done the hotside mock-up so its time to take it all apart.

Here is the passenger side manifold.





And this is the whole kit.





I have the old motor ready to pull so it should be out in a day or two.


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Old Feb 19, 2016 | 09:39 PM
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Well I pulled the motor out tonight, here are some pictures of the finished mounts since I never took any before I installed the motor.










I also opened up the motor since I needed the oil pan and had to un-seize the motor to remove the torque converter.
Hmmm... I think I can guess which bearings are the problem ones.








I think I found the problem lol.


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You think correctly !
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Old Feb 20, 2016 | 11:31 AM
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Nice project! Lol at the "blown motor", happens more than you'd think now that they are getting into the hands of non-rotor heads. As a Mazda tech, I can say that if I'd want to do an rx swap, I'd go with an 8. Their biggest weakness is the motor, not much else goes wrong. Can't wait to see the final setup, are you running both pcms to keep the gauges working?
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Old Feb 20, 2016 | 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Red89GTA
Nice project! Lol at the "blown motor", happens more than you'd think now that they are getting into the hands of non-rotor heads. As a Mazda tech, I can say that if I'd want to do an rx swap, I'd go with an 8. Their biggest weakness is the motor, not much else goes wrong. Can't wait to see the final setup, are you running both pcms to keep the gauges working?
Thanks. As you can see from the first picture I picked it up from a Canadian Tire parking lot, they were the "mechanics" that diagnosed the blown rotary lol.


I am only running the LS PCM, I built a module to run the RX8 gauges and electric power steering over CAN-Bus
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Old Feb 20, 2016 | 10:43 PM
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I am only running the LS PCM, I built a module to run the RX8 gauges and electric power steering over CAN-Bus
Cool, glad to see it'll be a fully functional swap. should be a blast to drive when done!
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Old Feb 21, 2016 | 08:48 PM
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I got the cylinder heads finished up today. Swapped out the springs and cleaned.





I started finishing the motor assembly, but I realized that I only ordered 2 lifter trays when I need 4.... So I only have one head installed and I have to wait for the other trays.

I also wanted to flow test my 42# eBay injectors to see if they are matched. So I made a very cheap test rig with a 2L bottle, some air fittings and hose and a micro controller with a relay. I set the air pressure to 35PSI and have the controller run for 30 seconds with a 75% duty cycle. When it is done I just mark the bottle and run the other injectors to see if they flow the same volume. They all seemed to be pretty consistent.

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Nice test setup. Simple and effective.
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Loving this, nice fab work!
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Old Mar 3, 2016 | 10:04 PM
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I got some more work done tonight. Finished assembling the engine, put some oil in it and hand cranked. I got it up to just over 30 PSI by hand so I think this motor will have good oil pressure.

I also modified the valley cover to finish the DOD delete. Basically I cut a hole in the small port coming off the pressure sensor port and TIG welded both sides shut. So now oil only goes up to the sensor and doesn't continue in to the ports in the cover. And then I just removed all the solenoids so its just an aluminum cover now.




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awesome build! i like the v2 hotside. love to see some video of this making v8 turbo noises and burnouts. keep us updated!
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