Project GatTagO

iTrader: (7)

Two of my customers have decided to go with the HTG controller. This will give me an opportunity to compare the HTG and the TurboLamik first hand, which is something that I would very much like to do.

Andrew

02redchevy

So do add to this discussion as I am now committed(sold the 4l80)

It looks like there are 3 main players in the controllers: HTG, Sound German Automotive, and Turbo Lamik.(There is CANTCU--however I don't know if this works with the Dodge version of these transmissions)

HTG and TurboLamik both require the modifications to the TCU as seen above(to me a little intimidating as from what I've seen the solder is hard to get to stick in some cases).

Sound German Automotive does not require the same modifications; however, it is limited on tuning if you're going to use it with Holley as it requires HP tuners to "tune" however it does come with an OBD port on the harness to do so and does require the use of a charger/challenger shifter.

I will likely go with the Sound German automotive set up myself.

mutty

Fourth option is Cantcu. Uses oem wire harness.No need to open the transmission.

Project GatTagO

iTrader: (7)

That was mentioned above.

If we are going to list all the options, there is also the HTG I/O CAN Gateway. It is similar to the Sound German Engineering solution in its mode of operation.

Andrew

02redchevy

Well I have another one to research. I have read a lot of negative about HTG(mostly on the facebook groups). Curious how that would work.

LSswap

How is park/neutral safety for starting the engine handled in these controllers and transmissions?

I'm assuming there is no mechanical switch?

Project GatTagO

iTrader: (7)

I take whatever I read on the Internet with caution. I am reserving judgement until I have some firsthand experience with some of these systems.

Andrew

02redchevy

I agree, it's almost like the same people bash holley for being "junk" when it was their wiring that caused all the issues in the first place hahaha

02redchevy

I known Sound German Automotive has an output for park/neutral safety if you so desire to hook it up. I would assume most have that output as well.

Project GatTagO

iTrader: (7)

The TurboLamik has a Neutral output on it:

https://manual.turbolamik.eu/TCUPINOUT.html

Andrew

LSswap

So you would hook up a relay that is normally open and doesn't let the starter run when the signal from the trans controller says no-go. Got it, thanks

Project GatTagO

iTrader: (7)

Or to your PDM of choice and give it other logic.

Andrew

02redchevy

Here is what SGA says:The 8hp kit is as close to plug n play as possible. The required inputs for the transmission to work with this kit are RPM, TPS, Torque, Brake switch or Brake lamp input. All other wiring is optional and for your use as needed. We provide Neutral safety output and Reverse light output to ground only. These are outputs from the kit. Not inputs and are to provide these signals to your vehicle to a starter relay or a reverse light relay. Speedometer output is a programmable and should work with any modern electronic speedometer or a speedometer driver such as Speedhut Speedbox. C4 for CAN is not used.

02redchevy

Well... I found one with 31k on it... Ordered the seems legit adaptor(I like their flywheel set up more and won't need to trim the adaptor for the starter I have)

Project GatTagO

iTrader: (7)

Here is where I am with all of this. I have been trying to gather as much information as I can about both the TurboLamik and the HTG, especially how they integrate with Holley EFI. Sadly, there is precious little information out there. So either it is not being done very much, or people are being very secretive. If you do a google search for Holley and HTG or TurboLamik, there is barely anything out there. Seems Legit Garage claims that they have done "many" Holley EFI systems with the HTG, but even their El Camino uses a GM ECU. I also joined the HTG and TurboLamik FB groups, and while there seems to be quite a bit of interest in these swaps, there is very little actual information.

I am going to the PRI show this coming week and have a meeting on my schedule with the TurboLamik US rep. I also purchased a CAN course from HP Academy, which has been very helpful. That is all I have for now, but I will be making updates as more information becomes available.

Andrew

02redchevy

I'll be seeing how it works with sound german automotive, hope it works!
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Project GatTagO

iTrader: (7)

By all accounts it does work, but I believe the tunebility is fairly limited. I'm pretty sure that you'll also need to have HP Tuners to tweak the stock TCU parameters.

Andrew

02redchevy

That us true--that's only if I need to. It seems like SGA is continuing up update the computer as well. It seems like he's getting more and more features to work. I wish turbolamik was more reasonable on price(1600 for the comp, 400 I think for the harness, 650 for the shifter I want, and 150 for the pcb)

Project GatTagO

iTrader: (7)

These swaps are not for the fair of heart or faint of wallet...then again, nothing about this hobby makes any sense in terms of fiscal responsibility...

Andrew

LSswap

OMG, you just said the part we've been hiding from our wives out loud.