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Old Feb 3, 2025 | 10:25 PM
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The damn code came back again, P2135 and P0220. The engine died while in traffic and the gas pedal became dead. Back to the drawing board.
P0220 DTC is pointing at pin B circuit. Not sure what check anymore

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Old Feb 4, 2025 | 05:50 AM
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Try a different TAC Module at this point.
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Old Feb 4, 2025 | 07:00 AM
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I have fixed many customer vehicles that intermittently throw this code.

People keep saying shorted for some reason but the code definition is correlation between tps 1 and 2

Any poor connection for half a sec will cause this code.

It's almost always the connector at the throttle body. loose pin fitment or wires breaking down in the bend in the harness

Unless you are using a 2 channel lab scope to graph the tps voltages don't even look at them as it is useless unless the sensor is completely dead or stuck.

use the pid "tps1&2 agree" should always be yes.. wiggle the harness manipulate the throttle at different temps. Use a good scanner with fast refresh rate. A cheap one will not refresh the data it reads as fast as the pcm interprets it. And you will miss it
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Old Feb 4, 2025 | 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Bbknucks
I have fixed many customer vehicles that intermittently throw this code.

People keep saying shorted for some reason but the code definition is correlation between tps 1 and 2

Any poor connection for half a sec will cause this code.

It's almost always the connector at the throttle body. loose pin fitment or wires breaking down in the bend in the harness

Unless you are using a 2 channel lab scope to graph the tps voltages don't even look at them as it is useless unless the sensor is completely dead or stuck.

use the pid "tps1&2 agree" should always be yes.. wiggle the harness manipulate the throttle at different temps. Use a good scanner with fast refresh rate. A cheap one will not refresh the data it reads as fast as the pcm interprets it. And you will miss it
It definitely a hard to troubleshoot issue as it doesn't happen all the time, very intermittent, and its scary when it happens because the engine would die, the accelerator pedal would go dead, have to stop, turn the key of, and on, press the accelerator pedal a few times, start engine then all would work again.
From reading on the web, both P2135, and P0220 as shown below point to a short to the low reference, pin B for P0220. Had done all kind of measurement on all 8 pins on TPS, nothing sticking out. I have wiggled all those wires, nothing. I can cut the TPS connector that came with the harness and try the factory pigtail shown on the image below ( Left connector is whats on the harness, right connector is a factory one). I can also replace the TAC as suggested in previous post.




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Old Feb 4, 2025 | 07:58 AM
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P0220 is tps 2 circuit malfunction

Any malfunction...don't assume short... open will throw same code

Now you got only 3 wires to test there and 6 pins...

Loose pin fitment is likely due to the intermittent nature.

Also lightly pull on the wires checking for one that is stretchy. The wire insulator might be intact but the copper conductor inside could be broken...

Also also a resistance test is only worth so much... you could have all strands broken except 1 in a wire and the ohm meter will read in spec but when circuit is loaded it will not be able to perform... I always load test circuits with a light bulb...the light should be bright...if it's dim then the circuit integrity is compromised
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Old Feb 4, 2025 | 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Bbknucks
P0220 is tps 2 circuit malfunction

Any malfunction...don't assume short... open will throw same code

Now you got only 3 wires to test there and 6 pins...

Loose pin fitment is likely due to the intermittent nature.

Also lightly pull on the wires checking for one that is stretchy. The wire insulator might be intact but the copper conductor inside could be broken...

Also also a resistance test is only worth so much... you could have all strands broken except 1 in a wire and the ohm meter will read in spec but when circuit is loaded it will not be able to perform... I always load test circuits with a light bulb...the light should be bright...if it's dim then the circuit integrity is compromised
Yea the pins on the TPS connector with the harness look different, though the wires seem tights.. I will try again to pull on wires to see if the DTC will be set.
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Old Feb 4, 2025 | 08:49 AM
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If you have proper crimping tools that connector is a delphi GT 150... you can get pins and reterminate it

If you don't have the specific crimper tool get a pre-made connector harness
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Originally Posted by Bbknucks
If you have proper crimping tools that connector is a delphi GT 150... you can get pins and reterminate it

If you don't have the specific crimper tool get a pre-made connector harness
I do not have crimper tool, but I have 2 or 3 factory connectors I got from the junkyard.
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Try one and let us know
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are you sure they're not the same connector except without the wedgelock (the purple plastic thingy?) or did you just remove the wedge lock for the picture?
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Old Feb 5, 2025 | 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by bobcratch
are you sure they're not the same connector except without the wedgelock (the purple plastic thingy?) or did you just remove the wedge lock for the picture?
They could possibly be the same, I didn’t remove anything from the connector, that’s how it came in the harness
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Originally Posted by Tma120
They could possibly be the same, I didn’t remove anything from the connector, that’s how it came in the harness
if its missing the wedge lock, the pins will be able to move much more than that should and that could definitely cause intermittent problems. trying remove the purple wedge lock from the factory connector and installing it into your harness
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Originally Posted by bobcratch
if its missing the wedge lock, the pins will be able to move much more than that should and that could definitely cause intermittent problems. trying remove the purple wedge lock from the factory connector and installing it into your harness
I will definitely try that. I did pull on those wires at the connector hoping I could reproduce the issue, but that didn't work
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