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Old Dec 1, 2004 | 03:10 PM
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lol.
good luck!
hopefully in 3 yrs I'll have a LS1T56 honda S2000 !
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Old Dec 1, 2004 | 03:16 PM
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This may be COMPLETELY impossible, and I have no hybrid fabrication ability whatsoever, but what about completely flipping the drivetrain? Rear engine, front wheel drive LS1???? Is it possible? That'd give you a TON of room for meats in the front, and might be just another option.......Probably a stupid one at that, but it's worth a thought....or maybe a laugh!!! I was just trying to "think outside of the box"

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Old Dec 2, 2004 | 03:40 AM
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I think the RWD LS1 would be sweet, but the thought of a FWD LS1 is sick! I LOVE IT!!!

I actually want to build up a RWD Northstar Metro. Or a splayed valve V6 Chevy in some kind of import/sport compact.
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Old Dec 2, 2004 | 03:59 PM
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ive always wanted to put a SBC in a CRX...... stock looking on the outside, except from the rear where you see the tires width....

years ago in high school, i actually measured one that the teacher owned... it would shoehorn in there... obviously a little bit back, but not tooo bad.

now i want to do it with a LS1... same concept though.. lol.
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Old Dec 2, 2004 | 04:17 PM
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Arn't gonna want to do that for your DD. I drove a 93 civic with a 350 in it, to put it bluntly it was crap. Short wheelbase made it hard to control, weight distribution absolutely sucked (60/40 to begin with with a sub 200 pound motor, add 300 pounds and see what it does) and the whole floor was cut up for the driveshaft so you have no way to put in normal seatbelts. On top of that it was noisy and very hot. If you want a good daily driver, throw a turbo B16 in there, make 300 WHP and enjoy a car that has no problem's reeling in Z06's and getting 40 MPG.
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Old Dec 2, 2004 | 04:24 PM
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any photos eviltwins?
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Old Dec 11, 2004 | 01:59 AM
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its a cool idea and with time and money can be done but why?

just to be different? I guess if thats what you want but its not hard AT ALL to get 500 whp out of a b series motor(and no you dont need 10+k to do it)

although it would be rwd which would pwn.. roll up to the burnout box..everyone would be like wtf..then proceed to light up the rears awesome. but imo its not worth it.
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Old Dec 11, 2004 | 04:25 AM
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i didnt read the rest of the thread,,, but this civic/Ls1 idea is old news... My freind is will have it done this spring. Oem hood, rwd, v8 powered 94 civic hatchback. Midwest pull!
Ps. 100% interior, stock exhaust DB levels, daily driven. heh heh heh...
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Old Dec 11, 2004 | 10:38 AM
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Old Dec 11, 2004 | 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by v8-7
i didnt read the rest of the thread,,, but this civic/Ls1 idea is old news... My freind is will have it done this spring. Oem hood, rwd, v8 powered 94 civic hatchback. Midwest pull!
Ps. 100% interior, stock exhaust DB levels, daily driven. heh heh heh...
Indeed lets see some pics, I hear rumors about these cars exsisting, but no one ever puts pics up. All I ever see is tube frame cars with a honda body.
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Old Dec 13, 2004 | 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by v8-7
i didnt read the rest of the thread, but this civic/Ls1 idea is old news... My freind is will have it done this spring. Oem hood, rwd, v8 powered 94 civic hatchback. Midwest pull!
Ps. 100% interior, stock exhaust DB levels, daily driven. heh heh heh...
I'll believe you when I see some pics... you must have made SOME progress by now... so post pics!
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Old Dec 20, 2004 | 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by blacktransam
I thought about doing this.. but to a DSM.. already have the tunnel there.. plus theres all kinds of room under those cars

I actually have a DSM sitting out back just waiting for this. I've just got to finish the T/A 1st. The plan is to go with the new LS2 402 into the T/A and then take the stock bottom end LS1 and drop it into the DSM...I should be able to get started by summertime.

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Old Dec 21, 2004 | 11:49 AM
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Here is my project
1987 Toyota MR2
1995 Cadillac Northstar V8

www.v8mr2.com
400mb+ images and a few videos

Been hacking away at it for about one year now. But with a kid in college it has slowed down a bit
I discovered a crack in a cylinder liner, so the engine I used to engineer the swap is toast. But I did find a good short block today, so I should have a good running engine by next month. Goal is to have the car out of paint by April. I am putting on the National Toyota MR2 / Celica All-Trac / Lotus Elise (www.na2005.info) meet in Topeka in June, so I have to have my Domesticated import done by then.
Yes I know I should have used a LS1, but they are just not that plentiful in my area. nor cheap. Like I said, I have a kid in College and 3 more behind her..
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Old Dec 21, 2004 | 09:10 PM
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you probably need to build a chassis and then put the body over it. i had a '67 camaro race car and all it was, was a frame with a pinto rack and pinion and the body was welded to the chassis, the car was very light, it would run 9.90 with a very mild big block. I had bent the front of the frame from big wheel stands
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Old Dec 21, 2004 | 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Bill Strong
Here is my project
1987 Toyota MR2
1995 Cadillac Northstar V8

www.v8mr2.com
400mb+ images and a few videos

Been hacking away at it for about one year now. But with a kid in college it has slowed down a bit
I discovered a crack in a cylinder liner, so the engine I used to engineer the swap is toast. But I did find a good short block today, so I should have a good running engine by next month. Goal is to have the car out of paint by April. I am putting on the National Toyota MR2 / Celica All-Trac / Lotus Elise (www.na2005.info) meet in Topeka in June, so I have to have my Domesticated import done by then.
Yes I know I should have used a LS1, but they are just not that plentiful in my area. nor cheap. Like I said, I have a kid in College and 3 more behind her..
Bill, I found your site today, even before you posted this.

May I just say, your project and documentation is fascinating. I respect what you've got going on there. Awesome project, and keep going with it.

The only question I had, which wasn't addressed on your web site, was why you decided to go with custom fuel rails. For a while, you had the motor in with the regular ones, and then the next thing I know, your friend was fabbing up a set. Any reason why?

Cheers,

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Old Dec 21, 2004 | 09:55 PM
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Because there was a recall on all of the northstars with the nylon pipes a few months ago.
I also had an issue with the regulator blowing up on me (my own stupid fault) but that got me thinking.
I called GM to see if they would cover the engine under that fuel rail recall and all they did was laugh. No... the dealership really did laugh. Pissed me off. All I wanted was the rail. I would do the rest... or if the GM mechanic was really that much better at installing a fuel rail then I would let him do it. But because the engine is not attached to a cadillac they wanted nothing to do to me. I am actually finding alot of issues like this with local GM dealers in Richmond Va and Charlottesville Va. As soon as you say Toyota they instantly think rice. I try to remind them that I am 42 years old and not some bolt on kiddy... but then I just get blank stares. I even tried doing the - I am sticking the Northstar in a 53 Surburban Hotrod (which we are doing along side my car... but are using the tried and true 350cid V8) but I get know where with that.

So we get to the fuel rail. Fire scares me in a big way. I am the type of guy that even wears a nomex suit while doing a track day.

So I happen to have on my message board guys that have businesses that can help me out. And Garrett at Wolfkatz Egineering LLC [ http://www.wolfkatz.com/ ] stepped up to the plate and designed me a very cool fuel rail. It looks night and day better than even the stock 2005 N* rail. Plus it comes with an absolute kick *** FPR from Aeromotive.

I am also working with Evans Cooling [ http://www.evanscooling.com/ ] about the complete cooling system package. I quickly discovered that I have no clue how to make a cooling system. It is not as simple as finding a radiator and plugging some hoses in. I am a little over my head when it comes to this stuff called coolant. I learned a lot today speaking to their engineering department.

I really wanted to havethis car done quick... like last Xmas
But I have discovered that re-engineering a production car designed to handle 112hp to handle 350hp is just a lot of friggen work. Plus I have done some things 3 or 4 times until I got it right. But I am learning as I go with a lot of things. That is what makes this stuff fun!
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Old Dec 22, 2004 | 09:20 AM
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hey Bill, nice site, I found it online a few months ago while researching for my LS1RX7 project. I think you have your hands full, especially with the platform you chose but I give you major props for going thru with it, I'm also sorry you cant find a GM dealership thats happy to help you out, that sucks.

keep up the good work!
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Old Jan 8, 2005 | 07:06 PM
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i havent read through all of the posts so dont bite my head off if someone has already come up with this, but the way i see it, your best bet would be to take some cues from the LS1/Fiero guys and mount it transversely behind the front seats. width might be an issue but hell, you could go a little more ricey (again, please dont bite my head off) and do a wide body conversion, god knows there are plenty of them out there. if you were able to do this, legroom would be virtually unaffected, AND, the traction would be there.
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Old Jan 9, 2005 | 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by tim99ws6
This may be COMPLETELY impossible, and I have no hybrid fabrication ability whatsoever, but what about completely flipping the drivetrain? Rear engine, front wheel drive LS1???? Is it possible? That'd give you a TON of room for meats in the front, and might be just another option.......Probably a stupid one at that, but it's worth a thought....or maybe a laugh!!! I was just trying to "think outside of the box"
Are you going to drive in reverse?
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Old Jan 9, 2005 | 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by 98c1500
i havent read through all of the posts so dont bite my head off if someone has already come up with this, but the way i see it, your best bet would be to take some cues from the LS1/Fiero guys and mount it transversely behind the front seats. width might be an issue but hell, you could go a little more ricey (again, please dont bite my head off) and do a wide body conversion, god knows there are plenty of them out there. if you were able to do this, legroom would be virtually unaffected, AND, the traction would be there.
Doesn't someone make a swap kit to hook a LS1 to a 4t60 trans. I know GM did a few concept Montes and Impalas with a transverse LS1. Not really sure were I saw them.
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