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Old Jan 28, 2005 | 12:12 PM
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When eliminating emissions related items from PCM programming and harness, are there any things you would want to keep even though they are mainly smog related? For example, I am using manifolds instead of headers. I have the EGR hooked up. If I don't use it, how will that affect engine performance, and fuel economy? Being smog exempt, is there any reason I would want it to function? The same question applies to other things such as cannister purge and post cat o2.
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THERORETICLY you get better gas miliage when EGR is on..since you're deluting the air, and it gives it less fuel.... but realisticly, you will never see any diff, even over 1000s of miles. just because it looks nicer, id take it off and use block off plates.

canister purge, you may want to keep.... if you have the rest of the fuel system... its nice to have a totally sealed fuel system. no fuel smell. no lost money on evaporated fuel. but if the system isnt sealed, then its worthless anyway.

the sole reason the post cat O2s are there, are to ensure the cats are working properly. if you're planning on running cats, you can leave them there to know that they're working... but if you're not running cats (somthing that would give more MPG diff then the EGR ever will) then you can delete them, as they're useless and would jsut throw a cat code anyway.
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Old Jan 28, 2005 | 12:58 PM
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I was probably going to run cats. But if I would get that much better gas mileage, I might not. So apparently the post cats don't affect tuning at all?
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nope..

part of the ODBII standard is the ability to tell when emissions devices dont work. the sole reason the 2nd pair of O2s are there, are to tell if the cats are working.
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I would remove the egr and cats if you are exempt. In addition to better looks with no egr the engine will be cleaner, over time the egr will soot up the manifold ect. Also, you'll need access to tuning software to dislable the egr/cat codes, vats ect.
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The only thing I am wondering about eliminating EGR, is that, doesn't the EGR cool the combustion chamber? I know, for example, that an inop EGR leads to increased NOX emissions due to hotter burn. I am also wondering if the hotter temp will make you run premium fuel to avoid knock. I am in So. Cal, so the gas issue is kind of touchy. They make us squeal like pigs here every summer.
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The only thing I am wondering about eliminating EGR, is that, doesn't the EGR cool the combustion chamber? I know, for example, that an inop EGR leads to increased NOX emissions due to hotter burn. I am also wondering if the hotter temp will make you run premium fuel to avoid knock. I am in So. Cal, so the gas issue is kind of touchy. They make us squeal like pigs here every summer.
EGR cools the combustion chamber and allows lower emmissions and increased timing with less chance of detonation. It was eliminated because the LS1 F-body cars got the truck cam with increased valve overlap. Valve overlap causes burnt mixture to get "stuck" in the cylinder, in effect becoming causing a "natural" EGR effect. Adding EGR on top of this could be detrimental to emmissions and performance. But as for the emmissions specifics...good luck.
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Excellant point. I had forgotten how suprised I was when a friend of mine, who does smog checks, told me the new cars had no EGR. Getting old sucks!
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