Noble LS1?
11-28-2005, 10:20 PM
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11-28-2005, 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by steveo346
what the heck is a noble?
. Here is their site http://www.noblecars.com/home.htmPersonally I would love to built one of these with an LS7 or a Twin Turbo 402 LS2.
http://www.factoryfive.com/table/sho.../sema2005.html
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11-29-2005, 07:32 AM
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I ran into an ad for the nobles and sorta looked into them they look cool but they are small like Lotus Elise small. And they want you to use som Ford 4cyl turbo set up I even asked him about a LS1 and he kinda scoffed at it. The crazy thing is they sell you the car no motor/tranny and you have to get this specific motor put in and it's all from South Africa
11-29-2005, 08:59 AM
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South Africa is turning out some of the best "kit cars" in the world right now. (Google Superformance.) However, the Noble is certainly not a kit car in the traditional sense of the term. It is sold without an engine or transmission so that it does not have to be federalized to US government crash and EPA standards. However, I believe that in Europe you can buy one turn-key. The car was designed to use the Ford Duratec V6 with twin turbos. In the standard configuration, it puts out about 300hp.
I've sat in a Noble M12 and have driven a Lotus Elise. They are both very cool cars as long as you don't want to drive them daily. Both are bred for the racetrack and that's where they belong. Putting an LS1 into either would completely negate the inherent balance that was designed into the car.
BTW, my friend traded his Elise for a Mini Cooper S after 10 months. He couldn't see making payments on a $50k car that sucks to drive around town and that he's afraid to take on the track. Yes, he is a wuss.
I've sat in a Noble M12 and have driven a Lotus Elise. They are both very cool cars as long as you don't want to drive them daily. Both are bred for the racetrack and that's where they belong. Putting an LS1 into either would completely negate the inherent balance that was designed into the car.
BTW, my friend traded his Elise for a Mini Cooper S after 10 months. He couldn't see making payments on a $50k car that sucks to drive around town and that he's afraid to take on the track. Yes, he is a wuss.
11-29-2005, 10:31 AM
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Scooter I'll tell ya whats nice... Is that '70 'Vette of yours. I got the fast cars "infection" as a little kid in a '73 with a turbo (my uncles) allways loved those cars. The wife wants a '78 just might have to ablige her and give it a LSx.
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11-29-2005, 02:40 PM
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STOP!!
The Noble is not Lotus Elsie sized nor is it a kit car and it doesn't use a 4 cylinder engine. And they are not made in S. Africa.
Lee Noble, founder and owner. He has a plant in S. Africa where the bodies are made. They also make many of the AC Cobra replica bodies too, for kits sold in Europe and the US. There are 300 employees there.
The engine, chassis, final body prep and paint are done in Britain at a small workshop of 30 people.
They are NOT kits in Europe but fully fledged supercars, which costs less than a Porsche 911, and compeat with TVR.
The latest variant of the M12 has a 3.0 Ford based V6 with twin Garrett turbos and pushes out 425bhp.
0-100mph in 8.1 seconds and top speed 180mph+.
In a straight line it will keep pace with a C6 Z06.
It has also been claimed as one of th BEST handling road cars ever. Recently one lapped the Rockingham circuit a FULL 4 seconds faster than a Ford GT (540bhp), driven by the same person (BMW test driver)no the same day.
The GT was also faster than a new Porsche 911 GT2, 507bhp BMW M5, Corvette C6 Z51 and several other FAST cars.
The Noble is not Lotus Elsie sized nor is it a kit car and it doesn't use a 4 cylinder engine. And they are not made in S. Africa.
Lee Noble, founder and owner. He has a plant in S. Africa where the bodies are made. They also make many of the AC Cobra replica bodies too, for kits sold in Europe and the US. There are 300 employees there.
The engine, chassis, final body prep and paint are done in Britain at a small workshop of 30 people.
They are NOT kits in Europe but fully fledged supercars, which costs less than a Porsche 911, and compeat with TVR.
The latest variant of the M12 has a 3.0 Ford based V6 with twin Garrett turbos and pushes out 425bhp.
0-100mph in 8.1 seconds and top speed 180mph+.
In a straight line it will keep pace with a C6 Z06.
It has also been claimed as one of th BEST handling road cars ever. Recently one lapped the Rockingham circuit a FULL 4 seconds faster than a Ford GT (540bhp), driven by the same person (BMW test driver)no the same day.
The GT was also faster than a new Porsche 911 GT2, 507bhp BMW M5, Corvette C6 Z51 and several other FAST cars.
11-29-2005, 03:41 PM
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I sat in one and talke dto a slaes rep at a ALMS race. They have signed a contract with Ford to be the exclusive engine supplier. Also I believe they have to sell the car without a motor to get around regulations and register it as a kit car.
I've sat in both a Noble M12 and a Elise, the Noble has much more room than an Elise. I'm 6'2" and could sit in a Noble comfortably with a helmet on.
I've sat in both a Noble M12 and a Elise, the Noble has much more room than an Elise. I'm 6'2" and could sit in a Noble comfortably with a helmet on.
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11-30-2005, 02:01 AM
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Noble used to make a Chev engined car...... he is in fact the guy that developed the Ultima..... have a look here http://www.ultimasports.co.uk/history/
11-30-2005, 08:58 AM
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Noble used to make a Chev engined car...... he is in fact the guy that developed the Ultima..... have a look here http://www.ultimasports.co.uk/history/
12-01-2005, 07:05 AM
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300bhp/ton, haha iit clear that some people just dont get it! hey you see this weeks top gear? very nice quote aobut some of the french roads and the ford GT! made me smile anyway!! 
PS, firefighter, you think the Saleen S7 (and the twin turbo one) or the Koenigsegg CCR are to exspensive for a ford plant to????
PS, firefighter, you think the Saleen S7 (and the twin turbo one) or the Koenigsegg CCR are to exspensive for a ford plant to????
12-01-2005, 08:18 AM
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300bhp/ton, haha iit clear that some people just dont get it! hey you see this weeks top gear? very nice quote aobut some of the french roads and the ford GT! made me smile anyway!!
PS, firefighter, you think the Saleen S7 (and the twin turbo one) or the Koenigsegg CCR are to exspensive for a ford plant to????
PS, firefighter, you think the Saleen S7 (and the twin turbo one) or the Koenigsegg CCR are to exspensive for a ford plant to????
If I had the money I'd probably have a C6 Z06, but there's no denying the Ford GT looks fantastic!
As for the French, well.... ummm. At least they have some impressive driving roads. I'm arranging a road trip to drive down to that same bridge. Hopefully in late Spring if the weathers good enough.
12-01-2005, 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Scooter70
South Africa is turning out some of the best "kit cars" in the world right now. (Google Superformance.) However, the Noble is certainly not a kit car in the traditional sense of the term. It is sold without an engine or transmission so that it does not have to be federalized to US government crash and EPA standards. However, I believe that in Europe you can buy one turn-key. The car was designed to use the Ford Duratec V6 with twin turbos. In the standard configuration, it puts out about 300hp.
I've sat in a Noble M12 and have driven a Lotus Elise. They are both very cool cars as long as you don't want to drive them daily. Both are bred for the racetrack and that's where they belong. Putting an LS1 into either would completely negate the inherent balance that was designed into the car.
BTW, my friend traded his Elise for a Mini Cooper S after 10 months. He couldn't see making payments on a $50k car that sucks to drive around town and that he's afraid to take on the track. Yes, he is a wuss.
I've sat in a Noble M12 and have driven a Lotus Elise. They are both very cool cars as long as you don't want to drive them daily. Both are bred for the racetrack and that's where they belong. Putting an LS1 into either would completely negate the inherent balance that was designed into the car.
BTW, my friend traded his Elise for a Mini Cooper S after 10 months. He couldn't see making payments on a $50k car that sucks to drive around town and that he's afraid to take on the track. Yes, he is a wuss.
The biggest complication in the coversion I believe would be adapting a transverse mount trans to the LS1. The funny thing is at Petit Le Mans I bumped into Bigcat3? who lurks on the board and has a 914 LS1 swap under construction. We were discussing this conversion.
12-02-2005, 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by chuntington101
300bhp/ton, haha iit clear that some people just dont get it! hey you see this weeks top gear? very nice quote aobut some of the french roads and the ford GT! made me smile anyway!!
PS, firefighter, you think the Saleen S7 (and the twin turbo one) or the Koenigsegg CCR are to exspensive for a ford plant to????
PS, firefighter, you think the Saleen S7 (and the twin turbo one) or the Koenigsegg CCR are to exspensive for a ford plant to????
Uhhhhm yeah.
I don't care how much you polish Ford gear it'll still be a turd. Yeah ya gotta respect it but still a turd.
