Question about Ls1 swap....?
Question about Ls1 swap....? So I may have found a corvette Ls1 for a really really really sweet deal. It's stock and has about 30,000 on the clock. My question is i was looking for a Trans Am Ls1 but is the Corvette LS1 have a different setup? I know it may have a different cam, but like how about the position of the alternator etc. Will I be able to do this in my 96' Trans Am (fitting it in) Any insight would be awesome and don't post in here just to say i'm an idiot for wanting to do this. Thanks!
~Josh
~Josh
If you got it for a really sweet deal, you need to change so many things on your car already, that it wont be problem to buy that, sell the vette accesories (they actually fetch a premium,) and buy f-body accessories. You'll need the f-body oil pan, and accesories, I think those are the only relevant accessories.
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The C5 and F-body (Camaro & Firebird / Trans-am) accessory packages, oilpan & associated hardware (windage tray, pickup, dipstick & tube), and exhaust manifolds are all completely different. I think even the engine mounts are slightly different.
The C5 accessories are definitely more in demand, so that may make your great deal even better, assuming you can find good deals on the f-body parts and pieces you need.
Basically, the front accessory drive positions things differently. The C5 runs the alternator up high with a mid mounted PS pump (I'd be concerned about hood clearance). The F-body puts the alternator down low, with the PS pump in about the same spot, but its a completely different pump on a different bracket (won't interchange). The AC compressors are different, which means you probably can't use the C5 pump with F-body lines (because I think the ports are angled differently). C5 oilpan doesn't have a chance of fitting in the f-body location (the C6 might, but who knows).
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The C5 accessories are definitely more in demand, so that may make your great deal even better, assuming you can find good deals on the f-body parts and pieces you need.
Basically, the front accessory drive positions things differently. The C5 runs the alternator up high with a mid mounted PS pump (I'd be concerned about hood clearance). The F-body puts the alternator down low, with the PS pump in about the same spot, but its a completely different pump on a different bracket (won't interchange). The AC compressors are different, which means you probably can't use the C5 pump with F-body lines (because I think the ports are angled differently). C5 oilpan doesn't have a chance of fitting in the f-body location (the C6 might, but who knows).
'JustDreamin'
Wait wait wait. Its not a bad idea. Oil pan swap is piece of cake, as well as accessories. Dont discount the sale. I bought a corvette engine, and bought f-body accessories to put on it. I made a few bucks while I was at it. Just swap the oil pan, swap the accesory drive. You're probably gonna put long tube headers anyways instead of manifolds, if you do go for manifolds, they're dirt cheap anyways. If it's a smokin deal, go for it.
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olly
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olly
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The motor mounts are completely different. the altenator on the vettes is located on top of the engine where the f-body is on the bottom. Power steering pump might be the same place, and the A/C compressors are different.
The vette A/C compressor sits farther back then what the f-body one does. The vette compressor's lines go into the compressor at a different spot, and i would have had to cut too much out of my k-member for it to fit. I ended up buying the f-body compressor and bracket just to find that the f-body bracket will not work with the balancer since it sets it up further. But the f-body a/c lines go into the compressor at the location i needed. Sooo the f-body a/c compressor does fit in the vette bracket, except at one of the bolt locations, their is a gap between the compressor and bracket. So i don't think the vette compressor will fit on f-body bracket.
Oil pans are completely different. to swap pans you would need a new windige tray, and oil pickup tube. If you are using f-body manifolds or probably even headers you will need to change the dipstick tube for an f-body's. I got these all from gmpartsdirect for a decent price.
Manifolds are different. I beleive the bolts that hold the manifolds on are also different between cars. I ended up buying the f-body bolts from a local gm dealer.
Vette has the electronicaly controlled throttle body, so the simple way out would to just buy a TB from an f-body.
I just found out that the MAF's are different. f-body has a 3 prong connector, Y-body a 5. So if your engine doesn't have the MAF then for your wiring harness you'll need a Y-body MAF.
The vette A/C compressor sits farther back then what the f-body one does. The vette compressor's lines go into the compressor at a different spot, and i would have had to cut too much out of my k-member for it to fit. I ended up buying the f-body compressor and bracket just to find that the f-body bracket will not work with the balancer since it sets it up further. But the f-body a/c lines go into the compressor at the location i needed. Sooo the f-body a/c compressor does fit in the vette bracket, except at one of the bolt locations, their is a gap between the compressor and bracket. So i don't think the vette compressor will fit on f-body bracket.
Oil pans are completely different. to swap pans you would need a new windige tray, and oil pickup tube. If you are using f-body manifolds or probably even headers you will need to change the dipstick tube for an f-body's. I got these all from gmpartsdirect for a decent price.
Manifolds are different. I beleive the bolts that hold the manifolds on are also different between cars. I ended up buying the f-body bolts from a local gm dealer.
Vette has the electronicaly controlled throttle body, so the simple way out would to just buy a TB from an f-body.
I just found out that the MAF's are different. f-body has a 3 prong connector, Y-body a 5. So if your engine doesn't have the MAF then for your wiring harness you'll need a Y-body MAF.
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Verdad Gallardo Ok well this COULD work and thanks for the help. I will do some more math and see what i could come up with. Are the 96' maf's and 98-02 maf's a different size or could i use the one from my LT1. Thanks!
It'd be dumb to try and retrofit a corvette accessory drive to an F-body, when it's just so easy to change it. Motor mounts and manifolds are moot points in the grand scheme of things. easy way to go, the way I'd do it would be..
buy that engine.
sell the corvette accessories, corvette mounts, corvette oil pan, DBW TB, manifolds.
buy all used f-body accessory drive, used oil pan, baffle, pickup, etc.. (you cant' really go wrong if it cleans up nicely.. provided there's no cracks/gasket's good)
new acc belt, motor mount inserts, dipstick assy.
used ported, cable TB
LS1 pacesetter headers, Y pipe.
you can get all the other swap stuff used, too. I think you need a dual-fan setup, diff fuel setup, etc.. that'll still work fine if they're pre-loved, i'm not sure on specifics of the swap.. It's all up to you. I'd see it as a good way to start boltons.. Skip the stock crap alltogether. If you end up passing it up, like Pat said, share the wealth, someone else would probably snag it.
my 2 cents.
olly
buy that engine.
sell the corvette accessories, corvette mounts, corvette oil pan, DBW TB, manifolds.
buy all used f-body accessory drive, used oil pan, baffle, pickup, etc.. (you cant' really go wrong if it cleans up nicely.. provided there's no cracks/gasket's good)
new acc belt, motor mount inserts, dipstick assy.
used ported, cable TB
LS1 pacesetter headers, Y pipe.
you can get all the other swap stuff used, too. I think you need a dual-fan setup, diff fuel setup, etc.. that'll still work fine if they're pre-loved, i'm not sure on specifics of the swap.. It's all up to you. I'd see it as a good way to start boltons.. Skip the stock crap alltogether. If you end up passing it up, like Pat said, share the wealth, someone else would probably snag it.
my 2 cents.
olly