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12-15-2006, 01:31 PM
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LSx > all other motors
unless of course you dont have a budget. BMW makes some of the most advanced motors in the world that put out great hp numbers. they also make some of the most overly complecated, unreliable, hardest to work on, most expensive to fix and most expensive to modify motors. ever wonder why you can pick up a 15 year old BMW for $2000 or under? i havent, they are like the old jags.
unless of course you dont have a budget. BMW makes some of the most advanced motors in the world that put out great hp numbers. they also make some of the most overly complecated, unreliable, hardest to work on, most expensive to fix and most expensive to modify motors. ever wonder why you can pick up a 15 year old BMW for $2000 or under? i havent, they are like the old jags.
12-15-2006, 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by digitalsolo
Late 80's/early 90's BMW would be great. 4 door 3 Series; You can fit an LS1 under the hood, RWD, light, and have a very nice interior (for the time) w/ leather, etc. You can pick up a chassis with a beat engine but in decent shape for 1500 bucks all day long.
Thanks for all the posts, there are some really good ideas in this thread and I'm enjoying researching them.
Didn't mean to start a BMW flame war...
12-15-2006, 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by kairles
how about a cadillac catera or a mazda 929? either of those with an LS1 would be badazz
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12-15-2006, 05:00 PM
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I was thinking a few years back that a IS300 with a LS1 in it would be pretty cool. I like the styling of the car and I've heard it's fun and peppy to drive but a lot of people wish it had more power. This was back when the newer ones weren't out though for I think they are making like what, 300 HP in them now or am I mistaken?
Either way, back in the last 90's or early 2000's I was thinking a LS1 swap into one would be pretty cool. Never driven one of those cars before though so if anybody has chime in on their thoughts.
Either way, back in the last 90's or early 2000's I was thinking a LS1 swap into one would be pretty cool. Never driven one of those cars before though so if anybody has chime in on their thoughts.
12-16-2006, 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Fuzzylogic
Any suggestions? My buddy is doing a Crown Vic swap which I think is pretty bad ***, and I'd like to pick up a cheap 4-door sleeper sedan myself.
I'd like something that is completely under the radar, has a comfortable/decent interior (so I can forget about a less-than-stellar exterior), is RWD and will allow a stronger manual or auto tranny to be used.
And I'd like the exterior to not be completely ugly, but still something that surprises the **** out've people.
I passed some sort've older Pontiac or Oldsmobile on the way home from the casino, which got me thinking about it. I don't think they're RWD, but it was just a little four door, sleek (ish), halfway decent commuter looking car... Would be sick with a big V8 under the hood.
Please, any thoughts or suggestions are appreciated. I'd like to pick up the car for under 12k.
I'd like something that is completely under the radar, has a comfortable/decent interior (so I can forget about a less-than-stellar exterior), is RWD and will allow a stronger manual or auto tranny to be used.
And I'd like the exterior to not be completely ugly, but still something that surprises the **** out've people.
I passed some sort've older Pontiac or Oldsmobile on the way home from the casino, which got me thinking about it. I don't think they're RWD, but it was just a little four door, sleek (ish), halfway decent commuter looking car... Would be sick with a big V8 under the hood.
Please, any thoughts or suggestions are appreciated. I'd like to pick up the car for under 12k.
Crown Vic has got to weigh a ton. I'd want something lighter. I always thought the Lincon LS6 or LS8 would be a good car for an engine swap. I haven't heard of any LS1's being put in but someone is bound to have done it. Would be funny too and LS with and LS.
I'm going with the BMW E36 swap. I found a few that have actually done it and proved the motor would fit. The chassis was cheaper to get than the lincon too.
12-16-2006, 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Thaniel
Crown Vic has got to weigh a ton.
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12-16-2006, 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Cop Car
LSx > all other motors
unless of course you dont have a budget. BMW makes some of the most advanced motors in the world that put out great hp numbers. they also make some of the most overly complecated, unreliable, hardest to work on, most expensive to fix and most expensive to modify motors. ever wonder why you can pick up a 15 year old BMW for $2000 or under? i havent, they are like the old jags.
unless of course you dont have a budget. BMW makes some of the most advanced motors in the world that put out great hp numbers. they also make some of the most overly complecated, unreliable, hardest to work on, most expensive to fix and most expensive to modify motors. ever wonder why you can pick up a 15 year old BMW for $2000 or under? i havent, they are like the old jags.
12-16-2006, 08:31 PM
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sorry i don't have time to do a thread...but my stepson is home from college and i can probably get him to post some better pics. i love reading the suggestions here but i still haven't heard a better suggestion (for me at least). the volvo is relativly simple and tough. the ride and handling are above average. the sleeper factor is over-the-top. nobody wants to race because the don't think i'll even give them a contest. then when i stomp the **** out of them they have to slink away like they weren't trying. the conversion is very straight forward, the stealth conversions, jtr kit will get the mounts handled. they can also help with cooling, drivetrain, slight body mods, ect. i am a professional mechanic, and pound for pound, dollar for dollar i don't you can build a better all around mid-size sedan than my volvetto.
12-16-2006, 08:41 PM
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How about a 4DR Malibu (or other 78-87 G-body)? They are full-framed vehicles with a lot of parts available: The Buick Grand National is a G-body, the Hurst Olds and many others.
Check out my 4DR sleeper that just put down 501rwhp last month (without either nitrous stage enabled):
With this setup under the hood:
And all the supporting bits:
More pix at my site: http://home.mindspring.com/~jim_fisk/id1.html
Jim
Check out my 4DR sleeper that just put down 501rwhp last month (without either nitrous stage enabled):
With this setup under the hood:
And all the supporting bits:
More pix at my site: http://home.mindspring.com/~jim_fisk/id1.html
Jim
12-16-2006, 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Cop Car
LSx > all other motors
unless of course you dont have a budget. BMW makes some of the most advanced motors in the world that put out great hp numbers. they also make some of the most overly complecated, unreliable, hardest to work on, most expensive to fix and most expensive to modify motors. ever wonder why you can pick up a 15 year old BMW for $2000 or under? i havent, they are like the old jags.
unless of course you dont have a budget. BMW makes some of the most advanced motors in the world that put out great hp numbers. they also make some of the most overly complecated, unreliable, hardest to work on, most expensive to fix and most expensive to modify motors. ever wonder why you can pick up a 15 year old BMW for $2000 or under? i havent, they are like the old jags.
Again, wow. I worked for Ford before I went to BMW. Hands down, the BMWs are easier to work on. Even easier than my Z28 or Lightning. Complicated? Yes. Overly complicated? Not even close. Expensive to modify? Yes. But when you are already getting 333 HP out of 3.2L, what do you expect? Ever wonder why you can pick up a 10 year old GM for next to nothing? Guess they must be like old Jags too...Learn how to turn a wrench, then come back and talk to me.
12-16-2006, 10:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Bimmer Tech
Again, wow. I worked for Ford before I went to BMW. Hands down, the BMWs are easier to work on. Even easier than my Z28 or Lightning. Complicated? Yes. Overly complicated? Not even close. Expensive to modify? Yes. But when you are already getting 333 HP out of 3.2L, what do you expect?
LS1's make much more torque bone stock, at a much lower rpm too.
How much do used e46 m3(s54?) motors cost vs. LS1's?
How much more do s54's weigh than an LS1?
definently not a good comparison I6 to v8 but oh well
a better comparison would be a s62 e39 m5 motor
400hp/370 torque....whats the price and availability on one of them?
How about the price of a waterpump vs. an LS1?
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12-16-2006, 11:19 PM
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I always like my sleeper the best and remember the car is a fox body (AKA 79-93 mustang platform) so any after market suspension parts can be bolted right in . The headers were built from a set of mac 1-3/4 longtube header headers for a 351w in a fox mustang.
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12-17-2006, 01:12 AM
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best sleeper is to get a bubble LT1 caprice and put a stroker kit in it.
if i hear a big cammin V8 in a volvo you know something is up. you hear a V8 in a caprice, you just think its got a spark plug wire off
if i hear a big cammin V8 in a volvo you know something is up. you hear a V8 in a caprice, you just think its got a spark plug wire off
12-17-2006, 05:20 AM
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I like that G-body. I could go with a custom interior in that, with some tinted windows, done all in black or silver, with subtle wheels... Hmm, I really like that.
Having a comfortable interior is important for this project... I just found a few '01 Lincoln LS's in the Autotrader for under 11k...
Having a comfortable interior is important for this project... I just found a few '01 Lincoln LS's in the Autotrader for under 11k...
12-17-2006, 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Bimmer Tech
Again, wow. I worked for Ford before I went to BMW. Hands down, the BMWs are easier to work on. Even easier than my Z28 or Lightning. Complicated? Yes. Overly complicated? Not even close. Expensive to modify? Yes. But when you are already getting 333 HP out of 3.2L, what do you expect? Ever wonder why you can pick up a 10 year old GM for next to nothing? Guess they must be like old Jags too...Learn how to turn a wrench, then come back and talk to me.
12-17-2006, 09:44 AM
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No love for the Jags?! Come on! They're comfortable inside, very available, and not known to have a lot of guts... even the old V12 cars are moderate from a dig. They're also inexpensive to convert to a V8. Most of the hard work has already been done.