Sales@Tick

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No, that's when you and them my way Ben.

the_merv

iTrader: (88)

Yes sir..I did forget you are all about selling your shaft to the fellow car guys..

Sales@Tick

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You know me too well!

the_merv

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There ya go RazorzChevy..talk to Martin here and he will hook you up with a bumpy shaft...




Go to the doc and get the cream and you will be good to go.

RazorzChevy

Okay so if I have a bone stock LQ4 (6.0 stock bore and stroke) and would like to have close to 500hp at the rear wheels. What camshaft do I need to get reach this goals. Plus other mods would be needed to make this happen?

Thanks.

Sales@Tick

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To make 500rwhp with a 6.0 including stock rods and pistons is going to be harder than it looks on paper. You'll need to fly-cut most likely to gain enough compression to run the size cam properly that you'll need to make that kind of power. You'll need a great set of cylinder heads and a Fast intake, Holley Hi-ram, Edelbrock Pro Flo or a single plane like a Super Victor to make that kind of power.

1961ba427

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Please don't take this as a cheap shot at the LSx engines and their capabilities.....or implying they are inferior but:

I've know of quite a few stock short block LT1's that make in the 420-430 rwhp range with ported stock head castings, stock intake, and very streetable hydraulic cams. Seems like 500 from a H/C 6.0L shouldn't be hard considering much better heads available, 14 more cubic inches, and all the other Gen3 / Gen IV advancements.

Again, I brought this up more as a question than to start a LT1 vs. LS1 debate. If it ends up turning this thread into that I will delete the post.

RazorzChevy

Even the 400s would be nice.

I think I'll start my own thread as not to hijack this one.

Sales@Tick

iTrader: (3)

Show me a stock cubic inch LT1 making 430rwhp. I'll be waiting a long time.

While there may be one or two in existence, they are far from the norm.

If it's not hard, then why isn't everyone doing it? Why do guys build 4" stroke motors to make 500rwhp or more if you can do it "easily" with a stock stroke motor? I do this every day for a living, 430rwhp from a 350 cubic inch LT1 is 1% of the 99% of stock short block LT1's out there.

1961ba427

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I am not saying that is the "norm" or that it is easy.....just that there are alot more than 1 or 2 in existence. Well....actually it is pretty easy.....call up one of the 2 main head ports used on this site (not that other's wouldn't work too.) and tell them you want 420-430 rwhp from your stock short block....give them your credit/debit/paypal card info and follow there recipe to a T on a healthy stock short and you have very good chances of acheiving your goal. Why isn't everyone doing it? Money for one thing I'm sure. Failure to follow proven builds is another. As for the 1% of 99%.....that is probably generous at best. I doubt there is even 1% of stock short block LT1's making 420+ rwhp. Just like I doubt there are 1 out of 100 LS1's that have been built up with a nice set of heads/cam.

I'll give some examples:

"Speed Demon 24" (without an EWP which is another 5-10 rwhp)
97 Z28 M6 4.10's 430rwhp/386.7rwtq 11.89@120.2 1.93 60'
Engine - stock shortblock, Ai 200cc heads/cam, jethot longtubes, 2otl, cai, asp u/d pulley, 58mm tb
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"bowtienut"
ported stock heads and a 228 duration cam, peaking with 425 SAE at 6400 rpm through a locked A4
Pat Gish
1996 Impala SS
Stock shortblock, AI cam/heads
10.98 @ 122 on motor, 10.35 @ 128 on the 100-shot
2012 ImpalaSS Nationals SuperPro Champion

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"Rob94hawk" (His is actually a rebuilt short block, but still 350 cubes)
1994 Firehawk, Red, T-tops, M6, Rebuilt 350, ARP everywhere, LE2 heads/cam, 11.7:1 CR, NGK TR55-IX Iridium plugs, Jason Short ported intake w/ 58mm BBK TB, Comp Ultra 1.6 rockers, Meziere HD EWP, Jet-Hot long tube headers, 3" SLP TOTL exhaust with a Magnaflow muffler, BMR front end, stock 3.42's, 425 rwhp/ 380 torque.(Mustang Dyno)
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I will have to do some more searching to find others, but all these came from the first thread I read today while looking for examples to reply with.

Sales@Tick

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I'm not going to argue this with you. There is a reason hardly anyone builds an LT1 anymore, you already know deep down why that is. Once you come to the realization that it's the truth, you'll thank me.

1961ba427

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"Quickshotkimber"
421rwhp/428rwtq
Stock bottom end
Stock LT1 heads andintake ported by Eric Bradby
BBK 58mm TB
Hooker LTs
Electric WP
ATI TH350 w ATI Non lockup converter- No TB
Moser 12Bolt 4.10 gear
3550# Race Weight
HYD Cam and DFI by Joe Overton
6.90@99.08,10.88@122.8 w 1.50 60' on DRs
Best 60ft 1.47 Best Mph 123.19
http://media.putfile.com/BRUTL-TA
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"blkchvyz"
420 hp 374 torque
CHS heads and FMS cam, stock bottom end
hp was peaked at 5900 due to a high end miss... so there is more in it.
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"indirocz28"
1994 m6 z28: under drive pulley, Pacesetter LT's, Aermomotive AFPR, FR 30#injectors, 3" exhaust, no emissions, no A/C, Ported & descreened maf, Walbro 315, BBK 58mm TB, gasket matched intake manifold, LT4 1.6 RR's, Cromoly pushrods, Comp Cams dual valve springs for well over .605 lift, Comp Cams 230/236 @ .050, .555/.580 @ 112 custom grind cam.
Engine is 355ci, stock replacement internals. Heads havent even been gasket matched, valves are stock.
New numbers are 431.3rwhp 408.7lbfttq...
Final graph
http://img518.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lt1tunerg1.jpg
Numbers comparison Tuned Vs Untuned
http://img380.imageshack.us/my.php?...erstvsutzj7.jpg
and here is the dynograph comparison Tuned Vs Untuned
http://img98.imageshack.us/my.php?i...ynographqu3.jpg
Car was tuned by Ron Bilyeu
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1961ba427

iTrader: (26)

Martin, I'm not trying to argue that the LT1 is better. That wasn't my intention at all. Sorry if you took it that way. I was just saying that I didn't think it should be that hard to get 70 more rwhp out of a 6.0L LS based short block than people get out of an LT1 short block.

I think you took it as me bashing the LSx engines, but I was actually trying to acknowledge that they are superior in most ways. Heck.....there are stock / unported L92 heads that will bolt on the 6.0L and flow more than all but the best ported LT1 heads (stock castings or aftermarket).

As far as reasons people are abandoning the LT1's....they are many. First and foremost: The optispark. Then there is the relatively small aftermarket support/parts availability. Also, they are being dumped for the LSx because (like I was trying to say to begin with) the HP potential is just not as good from the LT1. Then there are plenty who go from LT1 to LS1 just because of the popularity thing.

Now....about your saying that as soon as I admit the truth to myself I'll thank you: 1. I never denied it to start with. 2. I actually own several LT1's AND several 5.3's and an LS2 with L92 heads.
For myself....the LT1 is a good "bang for the buck" because I'm not trying to make 430 rwhp.....or run 10 second 1/4's. I've got a 61 Bel Air with a small BBC for that. Sure it could be done with an LS powerplant, but the big block has been in it since before GM started designing the LS1. I have a 97 SS with CNC heads that I'm sure falls short of 430, but I'm confident it's over 390 and loads of fun. I've got a another set of CNC'd heads for a 95 ram air Formula that I'd also expect to be in the same range. Why am I building LT1's?? I am cheap....LT1's are cheap. I'll have less money in either of those whole cars than I would have in a swap to a stock LS1 engine......or than I'd have in buying a used 98+ f-body.

The apology part:
I'm sorry you misunderstood my intentions with my post above.

I've followed The Merv's builds for years and have seen that you helped him (and many many others) with great parts and proven results. I wasn't trying to take anything away from you (or from the LS1 family of engines.)

englundjd

its good to see vendors on the site bashing cars that they sell parts for.... what a frickin joke

the_merv

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It's nice to see you guys all playing nice.

Reminds me of the disfunctional local **** carscene here.

the_merv

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I'm bumping this us since some sponsors claim me as using this to advertise work..

1. You can come to me with anything you "assume"...nut up..stop crying to mods about what isn't happening. I built a car, not advertised work.

2. This is a forum to help people, I will not apologize for putting the experience and knowledge out there.

3. You want to get your panties in a wad well get your *** to the feminine isle at your local store and get what suits your needs.

Any gripes, bitches, complaints, vaginal bleeding you know how to get ahold of me.

That is all.

TwoFast4Lv

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Damn we did that back in 2000. Where you been Martin?

Sales@Tick

iTrader: (3)

Making LS1's faster.

the_merv

iTrader: (88)

Hahahahaha..

1961ba427

iTrader: (26)

All I was trying to say is 430 rwhp with a 350" stock short block LT1 is not that hard.....and.....a good bit MORE than that is not that hard with a 6.0L short block. I wasn't trying to start a debate on which is better. All that boils down to is personal preference, opinion, and cubic dollars. LOL Also a lot of it comes down to what one has access to and knowledge of.