C5/ F-body street racing ......differences?
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Re: C5/ F-body street racing ......differences? I had a 2002 SS camaro with lt orp lid ,it ran 13.00 havent raced my 2001 zo6 yet but the power to waight ratio this car feels a hole lot quicker <img border="0" alt="[Z06 Corvette]" title="" src="graemlins/z06.gif" />
Re: C5/ F-body street racing ......differences? Stock for stock, an fbody will put down more power than the same year same transmissioned LS1 C5. I have seen it over and over on a mustang dyno. A4 C5 around 290hp Fbody around 295, add 10 or so to each for a six speed.
The vettes make up for it in weight and aerodynamics though. At the track, all things being equal, theyll run really close times.
The vettes make up for it in weight and aerodynamics though. At the track, all things being equal, theyll run really close times.
Re: C5/ F-body street racing ......differences? Well, its common knowledge that GM under-rates both the cars. But, you can probably find 10 different dyno's where on 5 the Fbody has more power, and the other 5 the C5 does.
And for a lot of the faster strip cars, the auto's are more common b/c they're more consistant, as well as more predictable. How many times has an auto missed a shift down the track? Not very often. It eats more power, but theres things you can do to run around that problem.
But, there is no clear cut definate answer to this question. Stock vs Stock, i'd have to say the Corvettes have more power to them, but as previously mentioned, both cars are underrated, and you cant find a 100% truth to the question.
And for a lot of the faster strip cars, the auto's are more common b/c they're more consistant, as well as more predictable. How many times has an auto missed a shift down the track? Not very often. It eats more power, but theres things you can do to run around that problem.
But, there is no clear cut definate answer to this question. Stock vs Stock, i'd have to say the Corvettes have more power to them, but as previously mentioned, both cars are underrated, and you cant find a 100% truth to the question.
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Re: C5/ F-body street racing ......differences? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Ling_650vette:
<strong>Well, its common knowledge that GM under-rates both the cars. But, you can probably find 10 different dyno's where on 5 the Fbody has more power, and the other 5 the C5 does.
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I disagree, its generally accepted that on average that if you take a bone stock F-body and a bone stock Y-body of the same year and dyno them on the same dyno, the F-body is going to put down a little bit more to the wheels. The IRS/Torque tube setup of the Ybody is just a little lossier, and I beleive the Ybody airbox is just a pile of crap, even compared to the F-body one.
<strong>Well, its common knowledge that GM under-rates both the cars. But, you can probably find 10 different dyno's where on 5 the Fbody has more power, and the other 5 the C5 does.
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I disagree, its generally accepted that on average that if you take a bone stock F-body and a bone stock Y-body of the same year and dyno them on the same dyno, the F-body is going to put down a little bit more to the wheels. The IRS/Torque tube setup of the Ybody is just a little lossier, and I beleive the Ybody airbox is just a pile of crap, even compared to the F-body one.
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Re: C5/ F-body street racing ......differences? I have had 2 SSs and neither one has seen a Vettes taillight. I have a couple of freinds with Vettes and my current SS will smoke them both. Even when stock it would outrun them, now if we raced from about 70+ it would be a different story. Also at our local track I have seen f-bodys put out better times for the most part than Vettes. I think it is because Vette drivers may be more careful, and they dont hotrod around like camaro owners do keeping their computer in a more perfromance oriented mode.
I still love Vettes and will have one in about a year or so so I am not bashing them.
I still love Vettes and will have one in about a year or so so I am not bashing them.
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Re: C5/ F-body street racing ......differences? They are very similar but the camaro doesn't have what the c5 has which is independent rear end suspension, 200 pounds lighter, and areodynamics.
I'm concerned about handling. I've recked 3 of my previous camaro's. I've had my vette for 3 years without a scratch. The only thing wrong on the vette is that an a4 tranny is alittle weak. i'm on my third one.
405 rwhp
379 torque
thats with a 2800 stall and 3:73 gears
I'm concerned about handling. I've recked 3 of my previous camaro's. I've had my vette for 3 years without a scratch. The only thing wrong on the vette is that an a4 tranny is alittle weak. i'm on my third one.
405 rwhp
379 torque
thats with a 2800 stall and 3:73 gears
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Re: C5/ F-body street racing ......differences? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by DG Gordon:
<strong> I have had 2 SSs and neither one has seen a Vettes taillight.
I still love Vettes and will have one in about a year or so so I am not bashing them. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Would you like to arrange an appointment to see a set? I am just kidding. I can honsestly say that when my C5 coupe was stock, I raced a couple of F-bodies and took them. I was under the impression the F-bodies were more than just 200 pounds heavier. How much do they weigh? Weight is a big enemy. Tires are also a factor in this equation and they are directly related to the weight issue.
<strong> I have had 2 SSs and neither one has seen a Vettes taillight.
I still love Vettes and will have one in about a year or so so I am not bashing them. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Would you like to arrange an appointment to see a set? I am just kidding. I can honsestly say that when my C5 coupe was stock, I raced a couple of F-bodies and took them. I was under the impression the F-bodies were more than just 200 pounds heavier. How much do they weigh? Weight is a big enemy. Tires are also a factor in this equation and they are directly related to the weight issue.
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Re: C5/ F-body street racing ......differences? Differances are that
1) the fbody weighs about 200 lbs more, but generally puts down 5-10 more rwhp due to a more efficient drivetrain.
2) The fbody will hook better from a stop
3) The C5 is slightly more aerodynamic than the fbody, but not as much as most people think
.33 for the C5, .34 for the fbody. Both of which are better than 99% of the cars on the road.
All in all, in a street race it will be very, very close.
1) the fbody weighs about 200 lbs more, but generally puts down 5-10 more rwhp due to a more efficient drivetrain.
2) The fbody will hook better from a stop
3) The C5 is slightly more aerodynamic than the fbody, but not as much as most people think
.33 for the C5, .34 for the fbody. Both of which are better than 99% of the cars on the road.
All in all, in a street race it will be very, very close.
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Verdad Gallardo Re: C5/ F-body street racing ......differences? if thats a drag coefficient, then you're using the Z06s. And its higher due to the screens in the air damn. The Z06s Drag Co is around .3~ and the coupes is around .26-.29, not a huge difference, but its still enough
Re: C5/ F-body street racing ......differences? prototype97 if you want a prepped 4L60E, Carl Rossler is the man to see. He's got two matted behind TT 427s. One's in the AWD S15 TT 427 and the others in the C5 TT 427 thats pulling 8.95s, both from LPE. And they're pushing double what you are...and yes, thats rwhp. The TT 427 is pushin about 840-860rwhp, and around i wanna say @ least 880 rwtq
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Re: C5/ F-body street racing ......differences? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by LS1 CRAZY:
<strong> The same power?? Not even close !!! Factory f-body is like 315 the vette is like 345. I own both. when both stock the vette would kill the f-body. now they are both mod'd exactly the same, the f-body is a 6 spd and the vette is an auto and the vette still kills the f-body !!! </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Bro that was flat out IGNORANT..
Let me go put my car back to stock and embarrass you!! Done it plenty of times!!!
I love vettes, as a matter of fact, I am selling/trading my TA for one as we speak, just dont go saying vettes are faster because anyone who knows anything will flat out LAUGH YOU OUT OF TOWN!!
Peace.
<strong> The same power?? Not even close !!! Factory f-body is like 315 the vette is like 345. I own both. when both stock the vette would kill the f-body. now they are both mod'd exactly the same, the f-body is a 6 spd and the vette is an auto and the vette still kills the f-body !!! </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Bro that was flat out IGNORANT..
Let me go put my car back to stock and embarrass you!! Done it plenty of times!!!
I love vettes, as a matter of fact, I am selling/trading my TA for one as we speak, just dont go saying vettes are faster because anyone who knows anything will flat out LAUGH YOU OUT OF TOWN!!
Peace.
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Re: C5/ F-body street racing ......differences? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by swtvictory:
[/qb]</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Bro that was flat out IGNORANT..
Let me go put my car back to stock and embarrass you!! Done it plenty of times!!!
I love vettes, as a matter of fact, I am selling/trading my TA for one as we speak, just dont go saying vettes are faster because anyone who knows anything will flat out LAUGH YOU OUT OF TOWN!!
Peace. [/QB][/QUOTE]
I think there is a little bit of ignorance in ths post as well. For the record, THE VETTE IS FASTER. A stock LS1 fbody is a mid to upper 13s car. The Vette comes in at 13.0 flat. We all know that the power output is generally the same. The thing people keep overlooking is the weight. Weight is a big factor and the Fbodies come in around 37-3800lbs....a good 400-500lbs heavier. That is a substantial difference. It is said that every 100 pounds cost you a tenth in the quarter. I would say the stock Fbodies are about .5 slower in the quarter. I never lost to an Fbody in my stock vette....in one case starting out behind a guy and then going around him.....I was shocked at the differece. Another thing is that there are a lot of older dudes out there that just bought a vette truly thinking it is the baddest car on the road and don't really know how to drive it. I am not trying to flame. I know there are some viciously fast Fbodies out there. I treat every one I come across with great respect, but, stock for stock, the vette is faster......PERIOD!!!
[/qb]</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Bro that was flat out IGNORANT..
Let me go put my car back to stock and embarrass you!! Done it plenty of times!!!
I love vettes, as a matter of fact, I am selling/trading my TA for one as we speak, just dont go saying vettes are faster because anyone who knows anything will flat out LAUGH YOU OUT OF TOWN!!
Peace. [/QB][/QUOTE]
I think there is a little bit of ignorance in ths post as well. For the record, THE VETTE IS FASTER. A stock LS1 fbody is a mid to upper 13s car. The Vette comes in at 13.0 flat. We all know that the power output is generally the same. The thing people keep overlooking is the weight. Weight is a big factor and the Fbodies come in around 37-3800lbs....a good 400-500lbs heavier. That is a substantial difference. It is said that every 100 pounds cost you a tenth in the quarter. I would say the stock Fbodies are about .5 slower in the quarter. I never lost to an Fbody in my stock vette....in one case starting out behind a guy and then going around him.....I was shocked at the differece. Another thing is that there are a lot of older dudes out there that just bought a vette truly thinking it is the baddest car on the road and don't really know how to drive it. I am not trying to flame. I know there are some viciously fast Fbodies out there. I treat every one I come across with great respect, but, stock for stock, the vette is faster......PERIOD!!!
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Re: C5/ F-body street racing ......differences? Oh well bro, think what you want and put your configurations how you want them, I never lost to a C5 when I was stock either..... Am I a liar? Or did the guys just not know how to drive?
Stock for stock, its all in the driver, I dont care what you say and IF its an Auto.... Most autos are SLOW as ***** and you vette boys know that those autos are way undergeared "which is the reason for the slowness" Especially from a roll. The 3.15 isnt too bad
Stock for stock, its all in the driver, I dont care what you say and IF its an Auto.... Most autos are SLOW as ***** and you vette boys know that those autos are way undergeared "which is the reason for the slowness" Especially from a roll. The 3.15 isnt too bad
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Re: C5/ F-body street racing ......differences? it is a known fact that in street racing from a roll an auto will usually loose to a stick car(equally powered),but on the track is a whole other story.an a4 will have a lower ET with a lower MPH,while the m6 will have higher et with higher mph,with an auto trans you get an advantage of a tourque convereter which will increase your toque # and cost hp.but generally an fbody WILL out power a vette on a dyno.as for this vettes are faste than you explain to me how come a friend of mine with a c-5 with exhaust,vortex intake and 1.8 rockers could onlt get my lt1 fbody with 373s and a k&n fipkonly had me by 2 tenths at the track
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Re: C5/ F-body street racing ......differences? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by swtvictory:
<strong> Oh well bro, think what you want and put your configurations how you want them, I never lost to a C5 when I was stock either..... Am I a liar? Or did the guys just not know how to drive?
Stock for stock, its all in the driver, I dont care what you say and IF its an Auto.... Most autos are SLOW as ***** and you vette boys know that those autos are way undergeared "which is the reason for the slowness" Especially from a roll. The 3.15 isnt too bad </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">It's all good, bro. Wasn't calling anyone a liar. I honestly have no experience with the 2.73 gear. Mine was 3.15. I have heard that the 2.73 did leave a little to be desired. I also did not know until recently that you have no option of gears on the F body....is this true? A very good portion of vette drivers are older and they just walk in and buy the car with no real knowledge of the car.....and as we know, the salepeople know even less. 75% of corvettes sold are A4!!!!!!! It does seem though that there are more 3.15s out there than you would think. SO maybe the dealers know to order the G92 RPO. So maybe the F bodies I came across were stock A4s? There you have it. I would have had a gearing advantage and a significant weight advantage. Hate to bring up magazine racing, but C&D posts a 13.0 for the vette and 13.8 for an LS1 Fbody. That is a significant difference......FWIW. I'm also not sure if the driver would screw it up that badly. Bottom line, whoever gets the jump in a contest between the 2 is probably going to be able to keep that advantage. It would be cool if we could find a couple of stockers and settle this.
<strong> Oh well bro, think what you want and put your configurations how you want them, I never lost to a C5 when I was stock either..... Am I a liar? Or did the guys just not know how to drive?
Stock for stock, its all in the driver, I dont care what you say and IF its an Auto.... Most autos are SLOW as ***** and you vette boys know that those autos are way undergeared "which is the reason for the slowness" Especially from a roll. The 3.15 isnt too bad </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">It's all good, bro. Wasn't calling anyone a liar. I honestly have no experience with the 2.73 gear. Mine was 3.15. I have heard that the 2.73 did leave a little to be desired. I also did not know until recently that you have no option of gears on the F body....is this true? A very good portion of vette drivers are older and they just walk in and buy the car with no real knowledge of the car.....and as we know, the salepeople know even less. 75% of corvettes sold are A4!!!!!!! It does seem though that there are more 3.15s out there than you would think. SO maybe the dealers know to order the G92 RPO. So maybe the F bodies I came across were stock A4s? There you have it. I would have had a gearing advantage and a significant weight advantage. Hate to bring up magazine racing, but C&D posts a 13.0 for the vette and 13.8 for an LS1 Fbody. That is a significant difference......FWIW. I'm also not sure if the driver would screw it up that badly. Bottom line, whoever gets the jump in a contest between the 2 is probably going to be able to keep that advantage. It would be cool if we could find a couple of stockers and settle this.
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Re: C5/ F-body street racing ......differences? ahhhhh whatever... Both cars are fast.. It just struck me wrong when that guy came on here saying there is NO COMPARISON!!! those are the guys I LOVE handing there asses to, then of course they accuse you of having a bottle.. WTF? just because I won??
I must have had a decently fast car because stock it ran a 13.2 with a 2.2 60 foot, then I came back with an exhaust and nittos and ran a 12.9 with a 2.1 60 at 109mph..
I am now trapping 120mph and trust me.. Most vettes around here are under geared... Sorry, most autos do not have the 3.15 around here, most my races are from a roll anyway so when an auto comes around, there usually isnt any competition.
Back to the point... To the man who tyhinks there is no comparison between vettes and f-bodies "1/4 mile wise" Go do some more research buddy!.
I must have had a decently fast car because stock it ran a 13.2 with a 2.2 60 foot, then I came back with an exhaust and nittos and ran a 12.9 with a 2.1 60 at 109mph..
I am now trapping 120mph and trust me.. Most vettes around here are under geared... Sorry, most autos do not have the 3.15 around here, most my races are from a roll anyway so when an auto comes around, there usually isnt any competition.
Back to the point... To the man who tyhinks there is no comparison between vettes and f-bodies "1/4 mile wise" Go do some more research buddy!.
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Re: C5/ F-body street racing ......differences? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by FLYNLO:
Hate to bring up magazine racing, but C&D posts a 13.0 for the vette and 13.8 for an LS1 Fbody. That is a significant difference......FWIW. I'm also not sure if the driver would screw it up that badly. Bottom line, whoever gets the jump in a contest between the 2 is probably going to be able to keep that advantage. It would be cool if we could find a couple of stockers and settle this. [/QB]</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Don't bring it up then!
I hate when people compare "their" car with the times that mags have. It's what counts at the track in "real" life. For your information I have a buddy that just bought a used '01 WS6 M6 that cut a 13.3 in the 1/4 @107.5 mph all stock! I know for a fact he knows how to drive, that's what counts too! A C5 ran w/ my buddy at the same time and ran a 13.7 @ 105mph. Don't get me wrong I love the vette, but I knew he could've done better.
Hate to bring up magazine racing, but C&D posts a 13.0 for the vette and 13.8 for an LS1 Fbody. That is a significant difference......FWIW. I'm also not sure if the driver would screw it up that badly. Bottom line, whoever gets the jump in a contest between the 2 is probably going to be able to keep that advantage. It would be cool if we could find a couple of stockers and settle this. [/QB]</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Don't bring it up then!
I hate when people compare "their" car with the times that mags have. It's what counts at the track in "real" life. For your information I have a buddy that just bought a used '01 WS6 M6 that cut a 13.3 in the 1/4 @107.5 mph all stock! I know for a fact he knows how to drive, that's what counts too! A C5 ran w/ my buddy at the same time and ran a 13.7 @ 105mph. Don't get me wrong I love the vette, but I knew he could've done better.
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Re: C5/ F-body street racing ......differences? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by 02SilverWS6:
<strong> </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Don't bring it up then!
I hate when people compare "their" car with the times that mags have. It's what counts at the track in "real" life. For your information I have a buddy that just bought a used '01 WS6 M6 that cut a 13.3 in the 1/4 @107.5 mph all stock! I know for a fact he knows how to drive, that's what counts too! A C5 ran w/ my buddy at the same time and ran a 13.7 @ 105mph. Don't get me wrong I love the vette, but I knew he could've done better. </strong>[/QUOTE]
Don't doubt it at all. Just trying to keep civilized debate here. I could also say I hate when we are talking about A4s and then someone interjects with an MN6 scenario. But thats cool. I have seen Bone stock C5s do 12.7s too. Just talking about average. Anyway, its all good. My money would still be on the Stock A4 C5(G92 rear end) vs. the stock A4 F body.
<strong> </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Don't bring it up then!
I hate when people compare "their" car with the times that mags have. It's what counts at the track in "real" life. For your information I have a buddy that just bought a used '01 WS6 M6 that cut a 13.3 in the 1/4 @107.5 mph all stock! I know for a fact he knows how to drive, that's what counts too! A C5 ran w/ my buddy at the same time and ran a 13.7 @ 105mph. Don't get me wrong I love the vette, but I knew he could've done better. </strong>[/QUOTE]
Don't doubt it at all. Just trying to keep civilized debate here. I could also say I hate when we are talking about A4s and then someone interjects with an MN6 scenario. But thats cool. I have seen Bone stock C5s do 12.7s too. Just talking about average. Anyway, its all good. My money would still be on the Stock A4 C5(G92 rear end) vs. the stock A4 F body.
Re: C5/ F-body street racing ......differences? factory stock i ran 13.24@104 and have raced a friends 98 Vette with some aftermarket induction and a borla cat back system. he lost by over a car length between use, and nsither 1 of us spun of the dig.(both autos) By the way i have a 2000 SS A4.Vettes are very sweet, but my vote is f-bodys are quicker stock for stock,flame away!
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Re: C5/ F-body street racing ......differences? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by redsscamaroboy:
<strong> Vettes are very sweet, but my vote is f-bodys are quicker stock for stock,flame away! </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">No flame. Do you know what kind of rear end he has?........uuuhhhh gears that is!!!!!
<strong> Vettes are very sweet, but my vote is f-bodys are quicker stock for stock,flame away! </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">No flame. Do you know what kind of rear end he has?........uuuhhhh gears that is!!!!!