C5/ F-body street racing ......differences?
Re: C5/ F-body street racing ......differences? 3 times in a row here is what went down. Both cars are mine, 01' Vette A4 3.15 100% stock Vs. 01' SS M6 with just a lid.
1. Me driving SS, Brother in Vette.
0-100 Vette has several (like 2ish) Cars on me.
2. Me driving vette, brother in SS.
0-100 Vette has 5-6 cars on SS (he said he had some trouble shifting)
3. Me driving vette, brother in SS
0-100 Vette has several cars on SS (same as #1).
Now my SS may be a turd or the vette may be a factory freak, but that is how "MY" vette and SS stand up against each other. Others may be different so please do not flame me for posting honest results. Since then, the SS has had a few more mods and I know it WOULD take the vette. Later.
1. Me driving SS, Brother in Vette.
0-100 Vette has several (like 2ish) Cars on me.
2. Me driving vette, brother in SS.
0-100 Vette has 5-6 cars on SS (he said he had some trouble shifting)
3. Me driving vette, brother in SS
0-100 Vette has several cars on SS (same as #1).
Now my SS may be a turd or the vette may be a factory freak, but that is how "MY" vette and SS stand up against each other. Others may be different so please do not flame me for posting honest results. Since then, the SS has had a few more mods and I know it WOULD take the vette. Later.
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Re: C5/ F-body street racing ......differences? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Sweet Cheeks:
<strong> 3 times in a row here is what went down. Both cars are mine, 01' Vette A4 3.15 100% stock Vs. 01' SS M6 with just a lid.
1. Me driving SS, Brother in Vette.
0-100 Vette has several (like 2ish) Cars on me.
2. Me driving vette, brother in SS.
0-100 Vette has 5-6 cars on SS (he said he had some trouble shifting)
3. Me driving vette, brother in SS
0-100 Vette has several cars on SS (same as #1).
Now my SS may be a turd or the vette may be a factory freak, but that is how "MY" vette and SS stand up against each other. Others may be different so please do not flame me for posting honest results. Since then, the SS has had a few more mods and I know it WOULD take the vette. Later. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Does your brother know how to drive an M6 SS? How is the run when you guys reach 50 mph?(your brother being in the first gear and then shifting in 2nd)
Technically your telling me that the jump into second gear on the SS doesn't net any yards/meters in the race?
<strong> 3 times in a row here is what went down. Both cars are mine, 01' Vette A4 3.15 100% stock Vs. 01' SS M6 with just a lid.
1. Me driving SS, Brother in Vette.
0-100 Vette has several (like 2ish) Cars on me.
2. Me driving vette, brother in SS.
0-100 Vette has 5-6 cars on SS (he said he had some trouble shifting)
3. Me driving vette, brother in SS
0-100 Vette has several cars on SS (same as #1).
Now my SS may be a turd or the vette may be a factory freak, but that is how "MY" vette and SS stand up against each other. Others may be different so please do not flame me for posting honest results. Since then, the SS has had a few more mods and I know it WOULD take the vette. Later. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Does your brother know how to drive an M6 SS? How is the run when you guys reach 50 mph?(your brother being in the first gear and then shifting in 2nd)
Technically your telling me that the jump into second gear on the SS doesn't net any yards/meters in the race?
Re: C5/ F-body street racing ......differences? [/qb][/QUOTE]Does your brother know how to drive an M6 SS? How is the run when you guys reach 50 mph?(your brother being in the first gear and then shifting in 2nd)
Technically your telling me that the jump into second gear on the SS doesn't net any yards/meters in the race? [/QB][/QUOTE]
Yes he does know how to drive, he has a 98' SS M6. My two cars compared to each other, it looks like "MY" vette is faster than "MY" SS. Your WS6 may be Faster than "MY" vette. I am sorry if I rubbed you the wrong way, but I was just posting about my experience and I HAVE seen plenty of F-bods (stock) beat C5's (stock), I know they are nearly the same in performance.
As for the run, I do not remember what it was like at 50mph, this was done late last summer before I started modding the SS.
Technically your telling me that the jump into second gear on the SS doesn't net any yards/meters in the race? [/QB][/QUOTE]
Yes he does know how to drive, he has a 98' SS M6. My two cars compared to each other, it looks like "MY" vette is faster than "MY" SS. Your WS6 may be Faster than "MY" vette. I am sorry if I rubbed you the wrong way, but I was just posting about my experience and I HAVE seen plenty of F-bods (stock) beat C5's (stock), I know they are nearly the same in performance.
As for the run, I do not remember what it was like at 50mph, this was done late last summer before I started modding the SS.
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Re: C5/ F-body street racing ......differences? My z28 weighs 3400 on the scale with the 6.0 liter iron block in it(70 extra lbs) and 3/4 tank of gas. Some fbodys are heavier then others, WS6 tends to weigh more, z28s tend to be light. The c5 is just over 100 lbs lighter then my z28 was.
As for stock time, my first time at the track I ran a 13.4 at 105 in an A4. Just ran a 13.0032 at 107 with 8.75:1 cr pistons (for turbo), heavy forged internals + heavy steel block and a lid and spinning through 1st.
As for stock time, my first time at the track I ran a 13.4 at 105 in an A4. Just ran a 13.0032 at 107 with 8.75:1 cr pistons (for turbo), heavy forged internals + heavy steel block and a lid and spinning through 1st.
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Re: C5/ F-body street racing ......differences? Guys, there is no point in coming in here sharing track times. Thats retarded. Everybodies track and weather will give totally different times. Might as well be comparing random numbers with each other trying to prove a point.
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Re: C5/ F-body street racing ......differences? IMHO, if you raced 50 different z28s/SSs against 50 different c5s from the same year, on average from a perfect starting roll at like 30mph, it would average out to the c5's rear bumper being at the fbodys front bumper by 120mph.
edit: this is stock vs stock
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edit: this is stock vs stock
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Re: C5/ F-body street racing ......differences? I've raced many F-bodies, mainly WS-6's, both automatic and MN6 in my two Corvettes (2001 coupe and 2003 vert) Both of my cars had 302 rwhp stock, and 315-317 with cold air and exhaust. I have out run every F-body I've ever raced - by several car lenths. And, I consistently run between 12.6X and 12.9 at 111 - 112, in any weather.
I agree they have the same rwhp, but I don't agree the f-body is as fast. Sure, on any give day, any given drivers, they might win. But we are talking about the comparison of the cars here. No way the F-body is as fast. And I'm not knocking them, I've had two Z-28's myself. I'm justing stating the facts.
I agree they have the same rwhp, but I don't agree the f-body is as fast. Sure, on any give day, any given drivers, they might win. But we are talking about the comparison of the cars here. No way the F-body is as fast. And I'm not knocking them, I've had two Z-28's myself. I'm justing stating the facts.
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Re: C5/ F-body street racing ......differences? A4 for A4 and M6 for M6, power is very similar(as is gearing). And with all things else being equal, the C5 should be slightly faster in the 1/4 mile STOCK vs STOCK. No doubt about that.
But turn it around a little and an M6 F-body w/a GOOD driver WILL be faster than an A4 C5 in the 1/4 mile STOCK vs STOCK. No doubt about that either. On the flip side, it will probably be ugly for the A4 F-body vs the M6 C5(assuming good driver) STOCK for STOCK.
Even then, "anything" is possible on the streets and the tracks because there are just so many factors to take into consideration with stuff like this.
Useless argument IMO.
Mike
But turn it around a little and an M6 F-body w/a GOOD driver WILL be faster than an A4 C5 in the 1/4 mile STOCK vs STOCK. No doubt about that either. On the flip side, it will probably be ugly for the A4 F-body vs the M6 C5(assuming good driver) STOCK for STOCK.
Even then, "anything" is possible on the streets and the tracks because there are just so many factors to take into consideration with stuff like this.
Useless argument IMO.
Mike
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Re: C5/ F-body street racing ......differences? Last time I went to the track, I raced my buddy in his c5. His car is a 99 A4 and I think he had corsa exhaust on it and that's it. I have an m6 with mods in sig. He beat me 13.4 to 13.5, but I traped at like 107 to his 104 (the difference in trannies and weight). He pulled a 2.1 60' compared to my 2.3 60'. So the race was really decided at the line, where I think that auto's have the advantage over an inexperienced m6 driver.
BTW, I also raced a z06 and beat him, but I don't think that guy had a clue what he was doing.
BTW, I also raced a z06 and beat him, but I don't think that guy had a clue what he was doing.
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Re: C5/ F-body street racing ......differences? Did your friend have 2.73 rear end gears or 3.15?
With my 99 M6 C5 and my only mod being a donaldson I consistantly trapped 109mph and went 13.1x with a 2.1 60ft.
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With my 99 M6 C5 and my only mod being a donaldson I consistantly trapped 109mph and went 13.1x with a 2.1 60ft.
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Re: C5/ F-body street racing ......differences? i have a 00 vette with 2.73's and i have raced alot of ram air t/a's and z-28's ss's and never lost at the track. when i was stock at 13.00 to 13.38's never lost maybe 10 races???????added vortech and corsa's now i'm at 12.80's corvette's are the best. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
Re: C5/ F-body street racing ......differences? I hope you mean Vortex, as in the air intake, cause if you mean the supercharger (as its spelled Vortech) then 12.80s aint much to brag about.
Like i've said in previous posts, depends on who you talk to as too what opinion you get. Fbodys can be just as fast, if not faster then their Corvette brothers. There isnt going to be a 100% clear cut answer to this. You can setup dyno after dyno, and your going to get similar, but not concrete numbers. @ least they all trace back to the General <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
Like i've said in previous posts, depends on who you talk to as too what opinion you get. Fbodys can be just as fast, if not faster then their Corvette brothers. There isnt going to be a 100% clear cut answer to this. You can setup dyno after dyno, and your going to get similar, but not concrete numbers. @ least they all trace back to the General <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
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Re: C5/ F-body street racing ......differences? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">
I think there is a little bit of ignorance in ths post as well. For the record, THE VETTE IS FASTER. A stock LS1 fbody is a mid to upper 13s car. The Vette comes in at 13.0 flat. We all know that the power output is generally the same. The thing people keep overlooking is the weight. Weight is a big factor and the Fbodies come in around 37-3800lbs....a good 400-500lbs heavier. That is a substantial difference. It is said that every 100 pounds cost you a tenth in the quarter. I would say the stock Fbodies are about .5 slower in the quarter. I never lost to an Fbody in my stock vette....in one case starting out behind a guy and then going around him.....I was shocked at the differece. Another thing is that there are a lot of older dudes out there that just bought a vette truly thinking it is the baddest car on the road and don't really know how to drive it. I am not trying to flame. I know there are some viciously fast Fbodies out there. I treat every one I come across with great respect, but, stock for stock, the vette is faster......PERIOD!!! [/QB]</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" /> Those seem like magazine numbers to me. My 98 Z28 ran a 13.2 bone stock down to the tires. I put a MTI lid and a Cut Out and ran a 12.8 @109. And yes I've beaten 01 vettes at the track by 1-2 lengths. I do love Vettes though so I'm not bashing them. I plan on selling my car in June and getting either a C5 or 01-02 F-body.
later,
Jeremy
I think there is a little bit of ignorance in ths post as well. For the record, THE VETTE IS FASTER. A stock LS1 fbody is a mid to upper 13s car. The Vette comes in at 13.0 flat. We all know that the power output is generally the same. The thing people keep overlooking is the weight. Weight is a big factor and the Fbodies come in around 37-3800lbs....a good 400-500lbs heavier. That is a substantial difference. It is said that every 100 pounds cost you a tenth in the quarter. I would say the stock Fbodies are about .5 slower in the quarter. I never lost to an Fbody in my stock vette....in one case starting out behind a guy and then going around him.....I was shocked at the differece. Another thing is that there are a lot of older dudes out there that just bought a vette truly thinking it is the baddest car on the road and don't really know how to drive it. I am not trying to flame. I know there are some viciously fast Fbodies out there. I treat every one I come across with great respect, but, stock for stock, the vette is faster......PERIOD!!! [/QB]</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" /> Those seem like magazine numbers to me. My 98 Z28 ran a 13.2 bone stock down to the tires. I put a MTI lid and a Cut Out and ran a 12.8 @109. And yes I've beaten 01 vettes at the track by 1-2 lengths. I do love Vettes though so I'm not bashing them. I plan on selling my car in June and getting either a C5 or 01-02 F-body.
later,
Jeremy
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Re: C5/ F-body street racing ......differences? </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by mc torch red 00:
<strong> i have a 00 vette with 2.73's and i have raced alot of ram air t/a's and z-28's ss's and never lost at the track. when i was stock at 13.00 to 13.38's never lost maybe 10 races???????added vortech and corsa's now i'm at 12.80's corvette's are the best. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" /> You added a Vortech supercharger to your Vette and only ran a 12.8? <img border="0" alt="[cry]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cry.gif" /> Sorry man not trying to be rude but that sucks.
<strong> i have a 00 vette with 2.73's and i have raced alot of ram air t/a's and z-28's ss's and never lost at the track. when i was stock at 13.00 to 13.38's never lost maybe 10 races???????added vortech and corsa's now i'm at 12.80's corvette's are the best. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" /> You added a Vortech supercharger to your Vette and only ran a 12.8? <img border="0" alt="[cry]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cry.gif" /> Sorry man not trying to be rude but that sucks.
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Re: C5/ F-body street racing ......differences? I posted on here on the first page when I had a 2000SS and It was never beaten by a Vette. Well I just bought a 2001 M-6 coupe with 5k miles on it and first off I have to say WOW. I love this car it is a much nicer car than my SS was.
Well last night I raced a friend in his 2002 SS m-6 with a lid.catback, SLP mass air meter. We race three times and it was close but he pulled me in third and fourth gear. I was suprised he pulled me on the big end. My car is bone stock but it feels strong. My SS could beat his SS pretty good but I had cam and gears. I guess I need a few mods but I am not going into the motor or have a loud exhast.
Well last night I raced a friend in his 2002 SS m-6 with a lid.catback, SLP mass air meter. We race three times and it was close but he pulled me in third and fourth gear. I was suprised he pulled me on the big end. My car is bone stock but it feels strong. My SS could beat his SS pretty good but I had cam and gears. I guess I need a few mods but I am not going into the motor or have a loud exhast.
