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Shrug I never said the Corvette isn't a great car but it seems to me that 2.73 vette is acting like it's the fastest drga car around when the simple truth is that with modifying and mostp eople buying these cars these days are going to modify then the Fbody is a much better platform.
Shrug I'm probably going with a vette myself. Speed is my current reason for wanting a new car but I've always loved something that handles good and unless the handling is close ot what my celica is I probably won't be buying one.
Shrug I'm probably going with a vette myself. Speed is my current reason for wanting a new car but I've always loved something that handles good and unless the handling is close ot what my celica is I probably won't be buying one.
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Originally Posted by 300bhp/ton
You seem to have a lot of pent up anger, are you not getting enough lov'in at home or something?? 
I love Corvettes (will probably own one, one day), but they are not top of the food chain. There are plenty of faster cars for similar or less money out there. Even in the US, you just need to know where to look.
I love Corvettes (will probably own one, one day), but they are not top of the food chain. There are plenty of faster cars for similar or less money out there. Even in the US, you just need to know where to look.
C5 Z06 11.97 Magazine Test
Also the current Motor Trend has the C6 Z06 vs Viper vs Ford GT.
Z06 11.6
Viper 12.0
Ford GT 11.5
The Ford costs more than the Z06 and viper put together.
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Originally Posted by Robert56
Since your rag article mentioned the Bullit and Cobra also. I thought I would throw this rag test in. The corvette Z06 is at the top of the food chain.
C5 Z06 11.97 Magazine Test
Also the current Motor Trend has the C6 Z06 vs Viper vs Ford GT.
Z06 11.6
Viper 12.0
Ford GT 11.5
The Ford costs more than the Z06 and viper put together.
Robert
C5 Z06 11.97 Magazine Test
Also the current Motor Trend has the C6 Z06 vs Viper vs Ford GT.
Z06 11.6
Viper 12.0
Ford GT 11.5
The Ford costs more than the Z06 and viper put together.
Robert
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Yes the C5 was at the top of the food chain in 2004...
The only car for the money in the USA that could beat the C5 down the 1/4 mile was the Cobra....
And that depended on wich model you had...
FRC C5.....12.9 at 110......Mustang cobra...12.7 at 111
convertible C5...13.0 at 109......Mustang cobra...13.1 at 109
In coupe or FRC form the Cobra has a 2-3 tenth advantage and should win 80% of the time....
In convertible vrs convertible the C5 has a 1 tenth advantage and should win 60% of the time.....
Take any of them to a road course and the C5 will win 95% of the time...
THE C5 IS THE BETTER ALL AROUND PERFORMER....
And for any one who wants to stomp Fords fastest car with Gm's fastest car they could just spend 4 grand more than the coupe or two grand less than the convertable and..
2004Z06....12.4 at 116.....2003 Cobra.....12.7 at 111...
( in all honesty the fastest magazine time I ever saw for the cobra was only 12.9 but Ill be generous ...)
The C5 coupe is a serious all around performer....The only american cars that out performed it in 2004 were the C5Z06 and Dodge Viper...
AND SERIOUSLY....tHE FACT THAT THE c5 COUPE EVEN HAS A CHANCE AGAIST ANOTHER V8 '' THATS SUPERCHARGED'' JUST SHOWS HOW AWESOME A ENGINE AND DESIGHN FROM 1997 REALLY IS.
The only car for the money in the USA that could beat the C5 down the 1/4 mile was the Cobra....
And that depended on wich model you had...
FRC C5.....12.9 at 110......Mustang cobra...12.7 at 111
convertible C5...13.0 at 109......Mustang cobra...13.1 at 109
In coupe or FRC form the Cobra has a 2-3 tenth advantage and should win 80% of the time....
In convertible vrs convertible the C5 has a 1 tenth advantage and should win 60% of the time.....
Take any of them to a road course and the C5 will win 95% of the time...
THE C5 IS THE BETTER ALL AROUND PERFORMER....
And for any one who wants to stomp Fords fastest car with Gm's fastest car they could just spend 4 grand more than the coupe or two grand less than the convertable and..
2004Z06....12.4 at 116.....2003 Cobra.....12.7 at 111...
( in all honesty the fastest magazine time I ever saw for the cobra was only 12.9 but Ill be generous ...)
The C5 coupe is a serious all around performer....The only american cars that out performed it in 2004 were the C5Z06 and Dodge Viper...
AND SERIOUSLY....tHE FACT THAT THE c5 COUPE EVEN HAS A CHANCE AGAIST ANOTHER V8 '' THATS SUPERCHARGED'' JUST SHOWS HOW AWESOME A ENGINE AND DESIGHN FROM 1997 REALLY IS.
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Im still wondering where this comes from. Shrug I'll say this much if you put the cost difference of a Z06 into cobra modificaitons your going to end up with a very destroyed z06 in the 1/4.
regardless i love the vette I'm just not sure where all this vette praising is ocming from. I seriously doubt you'll ever find anybody out there who doesn't think the c5 is a great car and a good performer.
regardless i love the vette I'm just not sure where all this vette praising is ocming from. I seriously doubt you'll ever find anybody out there who doesn't think the c5 is a great car and a good performer.
Originally Posted by Mike00
Im still wondering where this comes from. Shrug I'll say this much if you put the cost difference of a Z06 into cobra modificaitons your going to end up with a very destroyed z06 in the 1/4.
regardless i love the vette I'm just not sure where all this vette praising is ocming from. I seriously doubt you'll ever find anybody out there who doesn't think the c5 is a great car and a good performer.
regardless i love the vette I'm just not sure where all this vette praising is ocming from. I seriously doubt you'll ever find anybody out there who doesn't think the c5 is a great car and a good performer.
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robert 56.....
I agree with you....It's kinda like the Neon...Sure you can Turbo it and give it a different name.....But it's still just a Neon...
JUST LIKE THE COBRA IS STILL JUST A MUSTANG...
DOSE ANYONE THINK THAT IF THEY HAD MADE THE SS CAMARO HAVE THE LS6 WITH 405 HP IN 01 THAT SALES WOULD BE AS GOOD AS THE C5????
No....
Even though it would be an AWSOME performer it would still look just like the other 20 camaros youd seen that day only it had a little hole in the hood and a different spoiler...
Thats the problem with the Cobra....I have to look on the back for the word Cobra to know if it's one or not when Im driving....
You can tell it's a Corvette from a half mile away.....Especialy with the yellow day time running lights on....They look so low and wide that you cant miss the vette...
As far as the money thing goes.....Who cares......You can make a Cobra have 450 rwhp for around 2 grand....
About a month ago I was gonna install AFR 205 cc heads and a 224/224 cam in my C5...
Parts and Labor would have been 4,200$$$
Since I got 370 rwhp with just my cam air intake and Stock LS6 heads Im sure I would have been ATLEASTE 410 rwhp with the AFR heads...
The point is that you can make an NA LS1 engine just as powerful as the supercharged Cobra engine....It will cost you more....BUT.....
You can always throw on 7 pounds of boost for a supercharger as well..
Last time I got my car dynoed there was a guy there with a BONE STOCK 2001 Zo6.....
Bone stock He dynoed 340 rwhp...
They threw on a A and A procharger at 8 p[ounds of boost and he pulled 535 rwhp SAE corrected on the same dyno 24 hours later...
So the money thing dosent matter....
HECK....I could go buy a used 1998 Z28 with 80,000 miles on it for 6 grand tomorrow....
At my track the mn6 1998 camero would probaly cut a 13.7 at 103 mph...
I could buy some used 16 inch rims and slicks with 50% thread on them and get them shipped to my house from some one on a for sale forum for 250 bucks...
With the slicks that car would run 13.3 at 102 mph...
Then I could eighter just buy a new or used 125 shot nitros system for 500$$ or less if used...
That car would be running 12.5 at 110 mph at a minimum...
Now since at my track the fastest bone stock Z06 has run 12.7 and the fastest bone stock cobra has run 13.2...
ThaT 12.5 WOULD BE GREAT... and the total investment would be around 7,000$$$...
Theres quite a few LS1 F body's on the spray at my track runnin 11's...
Lots of them probaly bought there cars used for 8-15 grand and probaly have 2-10 grand in mods.....
PROBALY AROUND 20-25 GRAND INVESTED AND RUNNIN 11'S....
I bought my car new for 51,000 and got 5 grand in mods...56,000 invested and I only run 13.0 at 108.5
That's why I usualy talk stock for stock in comparisons....
When mods become involved it's the persons wallet that makes the car fast...Not the car.
I agree with you....It's kinda like the Neon...Sure you can Turbo it and give it a different name.....But it's still just a Neon...
JUST LIKE THE COBRA IS STILL JUST A MUSTANG...
DOSE ANYONE THINK THAT IF THEY HAD MADE THE SS CAMARO HAVE THE LS6 WITH 405 HP IN 01 THAT SALES WOULD BE AS GOOD AS THE C5????
No....
Even though it would be an AWSOME performer it would still look just like the other 20 camaros youd seen that day only it had a little hole in the hood and a different spoiler...
Thats the problem with the Cobra....I have to look on the back for the word Cobra to know if it's one or not when Im driving....
You can tell it's a Corvette from a half mile away.....Especialy with the yellow day time running lights on....They look so low and wide that you cant miss the vette...
As far as the money thing goes.....Who cares......You can make a Cobra have 450 rwhp for around 2 grand....
About a month ago I was gonna install AFR 205 cc heads and a 224/224 cam in my C5...
Parts and Labor would have been 4,200$$$
Since I got 370 rwhp with just my cam air intake and Stock LS6 heads Im sure I would have been ATLEASTE 410 rwhp with the AFR heads...
The point is that you can make an NA LS1 engine just as powerful as the supercharged Cobra engine....It will cost you more....BUT.....
You can always throw on 7 pounds of boost for a supercharger as well..
Last time I got my car dynoed there was a guy there with a BONE STOCK 2001 Zo6.....
Bone stock He dynoed 340 rwhp...
They threw on a A and A procharger at 8 p[ounds of boost and he pulled 535 rwhp SAE corrected on the same dyno 24 hours later...
So the money thing dosent matter....
HECK....I could go buy a used 1998 Z28 with 80,000 miles on it for 6 grand tomorrow....
At my track the mn6 1998 camero would probaly cut a 13.7 at 103 mph...
I could buy some used 16 inch rims and slicks with 50% thread on them and get them shipped to my house from some one on a for sale forum for 250 bucks...
With the slicks that car would run 13.3 at 102 mph...
Then I could eighter just buy a new or used 125 shot nitros system for 500$$ or less if used...
That car would be running 12.5 at 110 mph at a minimum...
Now since at my track the fastest bone stock Z06 has run 12.7 and the fastest bone stock cobra has run 13.2...
ThaT 12.5 WOULD BE GREAT... and the total investment would be around 7,000$$$...
Theres quite a few LS1 F body's on the spray at my track runnin 11's...
Lots of them probaly bought there cars used for 8-15 grand and probaly have 2-10 grand in mods.....
PROBALY AROUND 20-25 GRAND INVESTED AND RUNNIN 11'S....
I bought my car new for 51,000 and got 5 grand in mods...56,000 invested and I only run 13.0 at 108.5
That's why I usualy talk stock for stock in comparisons....
When mods become involved it's the persons wallet that makes the car fast...Not the car.
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Bah, if you want to go fast just swap a stock LS1 into a 2600lbs chassis, 4l60, 4000stall, gears, and do 10's for under 4k total investment. 
On the same token, do the same but with a 6spd and you'll have a smoking road course car.
Who cares about speed, a turd can go fast. Only cool thing about a fast turd is you can go offcourse and not care... whereas if you put a vette into a tire barrier, well, thats a bad day.
A vette is a vette. I don't think you'll ever win an arguement that a vette is better because its faster, handles better, brakes better, etc, because the people you are arguing with are already going to be convinced that their car is better. Those kind of arguements are best settled on a track, when the cards are down there won't be much left to talk about.
btw, my camaro ran faster than your vette when all it had was a catback.
On the same token, do the same but with a 6spd and you'll have a smoking road course car.
Who cares about speed, a turd can go fast. Only cool thing about a fast turd is you can go offcourse and not care... whereas if you put a vette into a tire barrier, well, thats a bad day.
A vette is a vette. I don't think you'll ever win an arguement that a vette is better because its faster, handles better, brakes better, etc, because the people you are arguing with are already going to be convinced that their car is better. Those kind of arguements are best settled on a track, when the cards are down there won't be much left to talk about.
btw, my camaro ran faster than your vette when all it had was a catback.
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Unless you ran a 12.9 with nonthing but a cat back at my track here in Hawaii....That remark means nonthing to me....
The fastest stock Z06 has run 12.7 at 112 mph at my track...They average 12.9-13.1 at 109-111 mph...
So dose that mean your stock camaro with a cat back is as fast a a Z06???
NO...It means your track is just a lot better prepped and has a lower DA than my 2000 ft average...
The fastest stock Z06 at your track has probaly ran 12.2 if you got a camaro with a cat back to run 12.9..
See what Im saying????Racing over the internet is pointless...
The quickest stock Cobra at my track ran 13.2..They average 13.3-13.5
Ive already got the stock ones covered at my track...
The Z06's run 12.9-13.1 .....Im right there with them at my track...
The stock Viper has ran a best of 12.6 at my track but average 12.8-13.0...Once again at my track...
These are the numbers I compare my self to....
I raced a 2002 mn6 SS camaro with LT headers air lid , no cats, ET streets and a cat back at my track two weeks ago.
He was pullin 1.8 60's and 13.2's-13.4's at 102-103 mph...
The bone stock SS mn6 SS camaros at my track run 13.6..
The a4's run around 13.8
The fastest STI has went 13.6
Im not puttin your numbers down..
STOCK CAMAROS CAN RUN 12.9
STOCK C5'S CAN RUN 12.7
STOCK Z06'S CAN RUN 11.9
STOCK 03 COBRAS CAN RUN 12.6
But every single thing has to be perfect or above to even have a chance at these feats.....
And the average car on the average day with the average driver WILL BE a 1/2 second slower than these abopve posted numbers...
Congradulations on a beast of a car and some obvious driving skills
The fastest stock Z06 has run 12.7 at 112 mph at my track...They average 12.9-13.1 at 109-111 mph...
So dose that mean your stock camaro with a cat back is as fast a a Z06???
NO...It means your track is just a lot better prepped and has a lower DA than my 2000 ft average...
The fastest stock Z06 at your track has probaly ran 12.2 if you got a camaro with a cat back to run 12.9..
See what Im saying????Racing over the internet is pointless...
The quickest stock Cobra at my track ran 13.2..They average 13.3-13.5
Ive already got the stock ones covered at my track...
The Z06's run 12.9-13.1 .....Im right there with them at my track...
The stock Viper has ran a best of 12.6 at my track but average 12.8-13.0...Once again at my track...
These are the numbers I compare my self to....
I raced a 2002 mn6 SS camaro with LT headers air lid , no cats, ET streets and a cat back at my track two weeks ago.
He was pullin 1.8 60's and 13.2's-13.4's at 102-103 mph...
The bone stock SS mn6 SS camaros at my track run 13.6..
The a4's run around 13.8
The fastest STI has went 13.6
Im not puttin your numbers down..
STOCK CAMAROS CAN RUN 12.9
STOCK C5'S CAN RUN 12.7
STOCK Z06'S CAN RUN 11.9
STOCK 03 COBRAS CAN RUN 12.6
But every single thing has to be perfect or above to even have a chance at these feats.....
And the average car on the average day with the average driver WILL BE a 1/2 second slower than these abopve posted numbers...
Congradulations on a beast of a car and some obvious driving skills
Originally Posted by demonspeed
I think the main thing is that if all you care about is just going fast, the better vehicle is the fbody because of lower initial investment and parts are usually cheaper.
Otherwise, the Corvette is hands down heads above the rest.
Otherwise, the Corvette is hands down heads above the rest.
I completely agree with this statement...........
Originally Posted by 2.73 Vette
...The quickest stock Cobra at my track ran 13.2..They average 13.3-13.5
Ive already got the stock ones covered at my track...
The Z06's run 12.9-13.1 .....Im right there with them at my track...
Ive already got the stock ones covered at my track...
The Z06's run 12.9-13.1 .....Im right there with them at my track...
Here's some Internet Racing for ya:
Here is a list of stock and stock cai/dr Z06 times. One list was started by J-Rod last year and others added from LS1tech, Corvetteforum and Z06Vette.com, also I added a few I have found. I started this list because on many other forums the capabilities of the Z06 are not realized, or they are denied. Please add your times and any others you are aware of.
Also, any missing info, or on wrong list, on posted times please submit.
Thanks Robert
Will be adding links for time slips/video where possible. Please Pm/Post with info.
Z06 Bone Stock and Stock CAI/DOT legal Tires
Ranger------1.64x 60'--11.52x @ 120.21--11/04--CAI/DR ('02) Run Video Time Slip
J-rod--------1.675 60'--11.596 @ 118.53--xx/xx--Zip Tie/DR ('02)
fergy flyer---1.67x 60'--11.5xx @ 118.xx--02/05--CAI/DR ('02)
J-Rod--------1.767 60'--11.606 @ 117.95--xx/xx--ZipTie ('02)
Dr Ron-------1.68x 60'--11.622 @ 119.03--10/04--CAI/DR ('03) Run Video
eb02z06------1.671 60'-11.656 @ 117.75-10/02--CAI ('02) Time Slip
Powershifter-1.xxx 60'--11.659 @ xxx.xx--xx/xx---CAI/DR
Dr.Ron-------1.711 60'--11.67x @ 119.3x--10/03--CAI ('03) Time Slip
BLU BY U ----1.65x 60'--11.694 @ 116.56--12/02--CAI/DR ('02)
Robert56-----1.653 60'--11.711 @ 115.53--06/05--CAI/DR ('02) Time Slip
Steve Row----1.66x 60'--11.756 @ 116.87--xx/xx-CAI/DR
Vai------------1.xxx 60'--11.781 @ xxx.xx--xx/xx---Bone Stock
J-Rod --------1.818 60'--11.783 @ 116.90--xx/xx--Bone Stock ('02)
Ranger -------1.78x 60'--11.818 @ 117.26--xx/xx--Bone Stock ('02) Time Slip
Butcher-------1.77x 60'--11.82x @ 118.8x--10/01--CAI ('02)
427CPE-------1.668 60'--11.850 @ 116.42--06/05--DR ('02)
mike c.--------1.7xx 60'--11.88x @ 118.xx--10/05--Bias-ply
L98Terror-----1.702 60'--11.930 @ 113.98--10/05--CAI/DR ('03)
zular----------1.xxx 60'--11.93x @ 116.90--xx/xx--CAI
Esoteric-------1.xxx 60'--11.93x @ 119.xx--xx/xx---Bone Stock
dr.juice-------1.675 60'--11.942 @ 114.78--07/05--ET's ('03)
phantasms----1.xxx 60'--11.945 @ 117.71--xx/xx--ZipTie Mod
Ranger--------1.823 60'--11.947 @ 116.65--12/01--CAI/DR ('01) Time Slip
Z06addikt-----1.xxx 60'--11.949 @ 117.61--xx/xx--CAI/DR
Cyric----------1.747 60'--11.966 @ 116.81--10/05--CAI/DR ('03)
GMHTP--------1.90x 60'--11.97x @ 118.80--03/04--Bone Stock ('04)
COUTO1981---1.74x 60'--11.97x @ 117.97--xx/xx--DR ('03)
02 Z06 Racer -1.xxx 60'--11.99x @ 117.61--xx/xx--Bone Stock ('02)
pwrshfd-------1.866 60'--12.048 @ 115.92--12/03--Bone Stock ('02)
rbartick-------1.900 60'--12.049 @ 117.4x--11/03--CAI('02)
MVR 155------1.80x 60'--12.07x @ 114.14--10/05--CAI ('02)
UVETTA-------1.79x 60'--12.09x @ xxx.xx--xx/xx--Bone Stock ('03)
Ranger--------1.856 60'--12.145 @ 115.85--09/01--CAI ('01) Time Slip
Pray----------1.9xx 60'--12.16x @ 116.31--02/04--Bone Stock ('02)
Nat04Z06-----1.91x 60'--12.205 @ 117.96--xx/xx--Bone Stock ('04)
Chicago Z06 --1.xxx 60'--12.20x @ 118.00--xx/xx--CAI/DR ('02)
Blue Angle-----1.87x 60'--12.21 @ 112.xx--07/04--Bone Stock ('02)
holedgr--------1.77x 60' 12.22 @ 1xx.xx--xx/xx--Bone Stock ('02)
KrisR----------1.877 60'--12.269 @ 115.38--xx/xx--DR ('02)
Mike69--------1.964 60'--12.280 @ 116.07--xx/xx--CAI ('01) Run Video
My1stZ--------2.0xx 60'--12.2xx @ 1xx.xx--xx/xx--Bone Stock ('03)
Z06 Stock Long Block and Bolt Ons (more than cai/dr)
(not sure if all should be here or stock (?), yet)
Butcher-----1.58x 60'--11.25x @ 123.7--10/04--Bolt Ons/3.90 ('03)
PaulZ06-----1.xxx 60'--11.37x @ 120.xx--xx/xx--Bolt Ons/3.73
Qksiver------1.616 60'--11.405 @123.61--01/05--Bolt Ons/Clutch ('02) Time Slip
Dr. Ron------1.694 60'--11.52 @ 118.5--10/05--cltch/LT ('03)
Roofer Dave-1.57x 60'--11.769 @ 115.96--06/04--Bolt Ons/4.10 ('03)
holedgr-----1.66x 60'--11.62x @ 1xx.xx--xx/xx--Bolt Ons ('02)
dhajek------1.75x 60'--11.804 @ 118.xx--xx/xx--LT ('02)
Chief Dave--1.70x 60'--11.82x @ 117.70--xx/xx--Bolt Ons ('01)
Blue Angel---1.82x 60'--11.86x @ 118.5x--09/04--LT/CB ('02)
COUTO1981-1.86x 60'--11.93 @ 120.97--10/05--LT ('03)
enderzo6----1.75x 60'--11.984 @ 115.02--10/03--Bolt Ons? ('02)
MSiska------1.830 60'--11.98x @ 117.63--xx/xx--Bolt Ons ('02)
McRat-------1.74x 60'--11.990 @ 114.5x--10/02--Bolt Ons? ('02)
19vette91---1.782 60'--11.994 @ 115.93--09/05--LT ('02)
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Ive seen that list many times...The problem that I have is that the word stock is used in so many ways....
For example..Your short time Of 1.653....Of course you did this on Dr's...Just like your sig says...
You ran an 11.7 at 115 mph...That is AWESOME...
But your CAR WAS FAR FROM STOCK...
The best short time MOST people are gonna get out of a show room BONE STOCK C5 Z06 is 1.9...
A 1.9 60ft compared to your DR 60 ft of 1.6 is worth..
6 TENTHS IN THE 1/4 MILE...
Applying the 1 tenth in the 60 ft is worth 2 tenths threw the 1/4 mile rule...
The air intake is easily worth 1 mph and 1 tenth...
And more like 2 mph and 2 tenths if you have a ram air model.
So people would look at your stock time and say wow his Z06 ran 11.7 bone stock....
When in reality with your car ACTUALY being bone stock down to the paper filter and tires....And a NORMAL best of 1.9 60 ft....
You would have ran a 12.4 at 115 mph..A very respectable time for a bone stock car.
What did you run show room stock???
This is just MHO....
......My car ran 13.5 off 2.1 and 2.2 60 fts bone stock...
If I had bought Dr's and cut a 1.8 60 ft......
That right there would have put my car 6-8 tenths quicker threw the 1/4 mile using the same 1 tenth in the 60 equals two in the 1/4 rule...
Ill go with 6 tenths since I was usualy close to 2.1 60 fts even when I hit 13.5 off 2.2 60 fts...
So now my 13.5 is a 12.9....Now throw on my Vararam and my car is at 12.7-12.8.....
WOW THIS BONE STOCK C5 AUTOMATIC WITH 2.73 GEARS RAN 12.7....
No disrespect....The Z06's are FFFFFAAAASSSSTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thats why the first mod I did was put a LS6 head and cam in my C5..Then later went to a slightly more agressive cam...
But the word STOCK is just used in so many different ways that it gets confusing...
When I first got my C5 there was a guy at the track in a white a4 LS1 Bird...
The best I could get was 13.5's.....I asked him what his best stock was and to my surprise he said 13.4..
I was pissed and at the same time ashamed that his 30K car stock for stock was faster than my 50K car,......If it was a different car company It would be fine...But GM had led me to beleave ( for 3 years)that my car was the faster of the two and worth the extra bucks cas it was lighter....
But this guy on the same track with a white bird vrs my white Vette had told me the truth....Id been tricked. It wasnt any quicker at all...
Then as we continued talking.........He told me the 13.4 was on slicks...His best stock was a 13.8...
He thought my 13.5 was on slicks. I told him no it was bone stock and he said DAYUM...
STOCK JUST MEANS DIFFERENT THINGS TO DIFFERENT PEOPLE...
The 12.9 in your camaro with a catback. Was that BONE STOCK...Or with slicks or DR's?
For example..Your short time Of 1.653....Of course you did this on Dr's...Just like your sig says...
You ran an 11.7 at 115 mph...That is AWESOME...
But your CAR WAS FAR FROM STOCK...
The best short time MOST people are gonna get out of a show room BONE STOCK C5 Z06 is 1.9...
A 1.9 60ft compared to your DR 60 ft of 1.6 is worth..
6 TENTHS IN THE 1/4 MILE...
Applying the 1 tenth in the 60 ft is worth 2 tenths threw the 1/4 mile rule...
The air intake is easily worth 1 mph and 1 tenth...
And more like 2 mph and 2 tenths if you have a ram air model.
So people would look at your stock time and say wow his Z06 ran 11.7 bone stock....
When in reality with your car ACTUALY being bone stock down to the paper filter and tires....And a NORMAL best of 1.9 60 ft....
You would have ran a 12.4 at 115 mph..A very respectable time for a bone stock car.
What did you run show room stock???
This is just MHO....
......My car ran 13.5 off 2.1 and 2.2 60 fts bone stock...
If I had bought Dr's and cut a 1.8 60 ft......
That right there would have put my car 6-8 tenths quicker threw the 1/4 mile using the same 1 tenth in the 60 equals two in the 1/4 rule...
Ill go with 6 tenths since I was usualy close to 2.1 60 fts even when I hit 13.5 off 2.2 60 fts...
So now my 13.5 is a 12.9....Now throw on my Vararam and my car is at 12.7-12.8.....
WOW THIS BONE STOCK C5 AUTOMATIC WITH 2.73 GEARS RAN 12.7....
No disrespect....The Z06's are FFFFFAAAASSSSTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thats why the first mod I did was put a LS6 head and cam in my C5..Then later went to a slightly more agressive cam...
But the word STOCK is just used in so many different ways that it gets confusing...
When I first got my C5 there was a guy at the track in a white a4 LS1 Bird...
The best I could get was 13.5's.....I asked him what his best stock was and to my surprise he said 13.4..
I was pissed and at the same time ashamed that his 30K car stock for stock was faster than my 50K car,......If it was a different car company It would be fine...But GM had led me to beleave ( for 3 years)that my car was the faster of the two and worth the extra bucks cas it was lighter....
But this guy on the same track with a white bird vrs my white Vette had told me the truth....Id been tricked. It wasnt any quicker at all...
Then as we continued talking.........He told me the 13.4 was on slicks...His best stock was a 13.8...
He thought my 13.5 was on slicks. I told him no it was bone stock and he said DAYUM...
STOCK JUST MEANS DIFFERENT THINGS TO DIFFERENT PEOPLE...
The 12.9 in your camaro with a catback. Was that BONE STOCK...Or with slicks or DR's?
The list includes stock and stock CAI/DR. Meaning, Bone Stock as it came from the factory, and stock with Air Box and Dot tires, the two most common add ons for the drag racer. Still, the fastest bone stock is 1.81 11.78 @ 116, and fastest CAI/DOT tire 1.64 11.52 @ 120. Maybe I should seperate the two levels? One of the main reasons I started this list was because of the comparison, like in this thread, comparing 2.73 geared C5's against blown Cobras. The list really is to just show what the mighty Z06 is capable of in the right hands. I think the worlds record for a Z06 is 8.8 sec 1/4.
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Dude, chill.
When you run a car like the C-5 you gotta expect some crap thrown your way. Be it jealosy or whatever its gonna happen. I drive an F-body and it seems that everyone I run into these days has a car that "RUNS TENS" or would "EAT ME ALIVE". Blow it off man. I'm also a weightlifter/bodybuilder. Again everybody knows somebody bigger or stronger. So what? Be in it for yourself. I like all cars. Be it an f-body, vette or honda. Did I mention jeeps? If you have a c-5 you must have an appreciation for performance cars. Don't tune others out. Don't let some of the attitudes get to you, and don't give attitude to others. That said enjoy your ride and start the mods!!!
When you run a car like the C-5 you gotta expect some crap thrown your way. Be it jealosy or whatever its gonna happen. I drive an F-body and it seems that everyone I run into these days has a car that "RUNS TENS" or would "EAT ME ALIVE". Blow it off man. I'm also a weightlifter/bodybuilder. Again everybody knows somebody bigger or stronger. So what? Be in it for yourself. I like all cars. Be it an f-body, vette or honda. Did I mention jeeps? If you have a c-5 you must have an appreciation for performance cars. Don't tune others out. Don't let some of the attitudes get to you, and don't give attitude to others. That said enjoy your ride and start the mods!!!
Originally Posted by dannyz
Dude, chill.
When you run a car like the C-5 you gotta expect some crap thrown your way. Be it jealosy or whatever its gonna happen. I drive an F-body and it seems that everyone I run into these days has a car that "RUNS TENS" or would "EAT ME ALIVE". Blow it off man. I'm also a weightlifter/bodybuilder. Again everybody knows somebody bigger or stronger. So what? Be in it for yourself. I like all cars. Be it an f-body, vette or honda. Did I mention jeeps? If you have a c-5 you must have an appreciation for performance cars. Don't tune others out. Don't let some of the attitudes get to you, and don't give attitude to others. That said enjoy your ride and start the mods!!!
When you run a car like the C-5 you gotta expect some crap thrown your way. Be it jealosy or whatever its gonna happen. I drive an F-body and it seems that everyone I run into these days has a car that "RUNS TENS" or would "EAT ME ALIVE". Blow it off man. I'm also a weightlifter/bodybuilder. Again everybody knows somebody bigger or stronger. So what? Be in it for yourself. I like all cars. Be it an f-body, vette or honda. Did I mention jeeps? If you have a c-5 you must have an appreciation for performance cars. Don't tune others out. Don't let some of the attitudes get to you, and don't give attitude to others. That said enjoy your ride and start the mods!!!
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Originally Posted by Robert56
Take a look at my sig, the one and only car club I belong to, F-Body. Our number one car is a 10.xx Camaro, so chill out, not sure what you mean...
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I ran a 12.9@109, 1.81 60', stock weight, catback and lid. 320/332 at the wheel back then. I'm sure my vette with about 400lbs less weight, vararam and catback would do mid 12s @ 112ish, but it will probably never see the track.
Best on street tires with those mods was 13.2@109, 2.0ish 60'.
Best on street tires with those mods was 13.2@109, 2.0ish 60'.
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Originally Posted by Bombguy99z28
I ran a 12.9@109, 1.81 60', stock weight, catback and lid. 320/332 at the wheel back then. I'm sure my vette with about 400lbs less weight, vararam and catback would do mid 12s @ 112ish, but it will probably never see the track.
Best on street tires with those mods was 13.2@109, 2.0ish 60'.
Best on street tires with those mods was 13.2@109, 2.0ish 60'.
I'm hoping for the twelves this spring when the track opens this spring.
2001 z, lid, cat back, 3000 stall, soon to be mounted DR's