Beware Of The 2007 Shelby Gt500
Weight isn't a factor above 120. Aerodynamic drag is. The Vette destroys the Mustang in this regard. I don't know the figures, but it'll take more than 100rwhp to overcome the drag coefficient of the Mustang vs the Vette at 155+. Of course, Cd^2 gets exponentially larger the faster you go.
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My point about the C&D varations between tests and cars is proven here.
Paragraph 2 where they state the 03 cobra runs 12.9@111
"In terms of power delivery, shift quality, steering feel, and noise levels, the '03 Mustang Cobra offers quite tolerable levels of comfort—particularly in comparison with the Cobra R, whose performance it now so closely matches. (The '03's 12.9-second quarter-mile at 111 mph is actually 0.1 second quicker.) The ride is still a bit too firm, however, and although that might trouble owners living in colder climates, the upside is a well-balanced ride-and-handling compromise. "
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...bra-page2.html
And in this vid where C&D claims a 1/4 mile time of 12.0 @111 for the 03 cobra.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...38&q=svt+cobra
Thats a huge variance.......Any questions?
Paragraph 2 where they state the 03 cobra runs 12.9@111
"In terms of power delivery, shift quality, steering feel, and noise levels, the '03 Mustang Cobra offers quite tolerable levels of comfort—particularly in comparison with the Cobra R, whose performance it now so closely matches. (The '03's 12.9-second quarter-mile at 111 mph is actually 0.1 second quicker.) The ride is still a bit too firm, however, and although that might trouble owners living in colder climates, the upside is a well-balanced ride-and-handling compromise. "
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...bra-page2.html
And in this vid where C&D claims a 1/4 mile time of 12.0 @111 for the 03 cobra.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...38&q=svt+cobra
Thats a huge variance.......Any questions?
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Originally Posted by ZXMustang
Nobody said anything about the engineers that compile the data, but the drivers and editors that tested the cars are usually where they fall short. Gathering up data vs. putting these cars on the track and street and giving them both a fair run with a nonbaised opinion is the hard part. No offense to you or your school. STFU better mean shut the front door. You wouldnt want to turn our little discussion into a bannable flame war now would you?
TECH Apprentice
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Originally Posted by ZXMustang
My point about the C&D varations between tests and cars is proven here.
Paragraph 2 where they state the 03 cobra runs 12.9@111
"In terms of power delivery, shift quality, steering feel, and noise levels, the '03 Mustang Cobra offers quite tolerable levels of comfort—particularly in comparison with the Cobra R, whose performance it now so closely matches. (The '03's 12.9-second quarter-mile at 111 mph is actually 0.1 second quicker.) The ride is still a bit too firm, however, and although that might trouble owners living in colder climates, the upside is a well-balanced ride-and-handling compromise. "
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...bra-page2.html
And in this vid where C&D claims a 1/4 mile time of 12.0 @111 for the 03 cobra.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...38&q=svt+cobra
Thats a huge variance.......Any questions?
Paragraph 2 where they state the 03 cobra runs 12.9@111
"In terms of power delivery, shift quality, steering feel, and noise levels, the '03 Mustang Cobra offers quite tolerable levels of comfort—particularly in comparison with the Cobra R, whose performance it now so closely matches. (The '03's 12.9-second quarter-mile at 111 mph is actually 0.1 second quicker.) The ride is still a bit too firm, however, and although that might trouble owners living in colder climates, the upside is a well-balanced ride-and-handling compromise. "
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...bra-page2.html
And in this vid where C&D claims a 1/4 mile time of 12.0 @111 for the 03 cobra.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...38&q=svt+cobra
Thats a huge variance.......Any questions?
The C6 and GT 500 test was a real, same day, stock cars, same drivers comparison that C&D actually performed. They didn't take numbers from GM performance division and SVT and print them.
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Originally Posted by ZXMustang
Who knows? Its all speculation anyway. Who really knows if those numbers came from SVT or not. By the looks of the vid, they obviously drove the cobra. Anyway, no big deal.
What idiot would even think the driver of the Shelby wasn't racing me, what was he doing, trying to tell me I had a low tire from 80-165, come on? Also, I have been racing cars for over 10 yrs, on the track and an occasional street race, I have run many low 10 second passes at HRP. I'm not making exsuses here but, I did have a full tank of gas and a 200lb passenger, with an after market stereo system. The Mustang hauls *** no doubt, but in the end I won! The question of wether or not I can drive a car is out of the question... If you can put a 6spd TA on gas in the low 10s consistantly you sure as hell can drive a stock Z06 on the freeway!!!!
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Racer
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Originally Posted by ZXMustang
And in this vid where C&D claims a 1/4 mile time of 12.0 @111 for the 03 cobra.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...38&q=svt+cobra
Thats a huge variance.......Any questions?
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...38&q=svt+cobra
Thats a huge variance.......Any questions?
Wow....
Still going?
I just had a big long response to all of this...then, at last minute, deleted it, cause I know I would have came off probably wrong.
Anyways. Yea... what 02z06 said.
Still going?
I just had a big long response to all of this...then, at last minute, deleted it, cause I know I would have came off probably wrong.
Anyways. Yea... what 02z06 said.
c5z06: 3150lbs 405hp 7.7 lbs/hp
gt500: 3900lbs 500hp 7.8 lbs/hp
they are about equal there but once you take into effect aerodynamics, the z comes out ahead. the irs doesnt seem to limit their traction either. im sure the gt500 times will drop as people get more practice, but for now, the z owns
gt500: 3900lbs 500hp 7.8 lbs/hp
they are about equal there but once you take into effect aerodynamics, the z comes out ahead. the irs doesnt seem to limit their traction either. im sure the gt500 times will drop as people get more practice, but for now, the z owns
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Every review ive read on the GT500 has just been a huge dissapointment...
Evan Smith tested the 03 cobra to a 12.4 (390 HP)
Evan smith tested the C6 to a 12.2 (400 HP)
He even tested a 2001 rt10 viper to an 11.7 (450 HP)
But then here is a 2006 GT500 that only dose 12.2 with GASP (500 HP) that he tested as well....
OK the 1/4 mile I can deal with...i figured it was just heavy and was getting a slow start HINT.. The 4.5 0-60 mph times...But that it would pull like a raped monkey on the 70 mph and up end...WRONG..
C6Z06...0-150 mph in 17.5
SRT 10 viper...0-150 mph in 19.5
Gen 2 viper ...0-150 mph in 22.0
C5Z05.... 0-150 mph in 25.0
C6 coupe...0-150 mph in 26.0
gt500...0-150 mph in 30.0
03 Cobra...0-150 mph in 32.0
C5 coupe...0-150 mph in 33.0
Seriously...A base C5 coupe running a 13.0 at 109 ( car and driver tested a convertable c5 to these numbers aginst a convertable 03 Cobra)would give the GT500 a decent run in the 1/4 mile and wouldnt be to far behind to 150 mph...
OK 3 seconds would mean that the C5 was pretty far behind at 150 mph but still...Come on. The C5 came out in late 1996
Evan Smith tested the 03 cobra to a 12.4 (390 HP)
Evan smith tested the C6 to a 12.2 (400 HP)
He even tested a 2001 rt10 viper to an 11.7 (450 HP)
But then here is a 2006 GT500 that only dose 12.2 with GASP (500 HP) that he tested as well....
OK the 1/4 mile I can deal with...i figured it was just heavy and was getting a slow start HINT.. The 4.5 0-60 mph times...But that it would pull like a raped monkey on the 70 mph and up end...WRONG..
C6Z06...0-150 mph in 17.5
SRT 10 viper...0-150 mph in 19.5
Gen 2 viper ...0-150 mph in 22.0
C5Z05.... 0-150 mph in 25.0
C6 coupe...0-150 mph in 26.0
gt500...0-150 mph in 30.0
03 Cobra...0-150 mph in 32.0
C5 coupe...0-150 mph in 33.0
Seriously...A base C5 coupe running a 13.0 at 109 ( car and driver tested a convertable c5 to these numbers aginst a convertable 03 Cobra)would give the GT500 a decent run in the 1/4 mile and wouldnt be to far behind to 150 mph...
OK 3 seconds would mean that the C5 was pretty far behind at 150 mph but still...Come on. The C5 came out in late 1996
Originally Posted by Killemall
Every review ive read on the GT500 has just been a huge dissapointment...
Evan Smith tested the 03 cobra to a 12.4 (390 HP)
Evan smith tested the C6 to a 12.2 (400 HP)
He even tested a 2001 rt10 viper to an 11.7 (450 HP)
But then here is a 2006 GT500 that only dose 12.2 with GASP (500 HP) that he tested as well....
OK the 1/4 mile I can deal with...i figured it was just heavy and was getting a slow start HINT.. The 4.5 0-60 mph times...But that it would pull like a raped monkey on the 70 mph and up end...WRONG..
C6Z06...0-150 mph in 17.5
SRT 10 viper...0-150 mph in 19.5
Gen 2 viper ...0-150 mph in 22.0
C5Z05.... 0-150 mph in 25.0
C6 coupe...0-150 mph in 26.0
gt500...0-150 mph in 30.0
03 Cobra...0-150 mph in 32.0
C5 coupe...0-150 mph in 33.0
Seriously...A base C5 coupe running a 13.0 at 109 ( car and driver tested a convertable c5 to these numbers aginst a convertable 03 Cobra)would give the GT500 a decent run in the 1/4 mile and wouldnt be to far behind to 150 mph...
OK 3 seconds would mean that the C5 was pretty far behind at 150 mph but still...Come on. The C5 came out in late 1996
Evan Smith tested the 03 cobra to a 12.4 (390 HP)
Evan smith tested the C6 to a 12.2 (400 HP)
He even tested a 2001 rt10 viper to an 11.7 (450 HP)
But then here is a 2006 GT500 that only dose 12.2 with GASP (500 HP) that he tested as well....
OK the 1/4 mile I can deal with...i figured it was just heavy and was getting a slow start HINT.. The 4.5 0-60 mph times...But that it would pull like a raped monkey on the 70 mph and up end...WRONG..
C6Z06...0-150 mph in 17.5
SRT 10 viper...0-150 mph in 19.5
Gen 2 viper ...0-150 mph in 22.0
C5Z05.... 0-150 mph in 25.0
C6 coupe...0-150 mph in 26.0
gt500...0-150 mph in 30.0
03 Cobra...0-150 mph in 32.0
C5 coupe...0-150 mph in 33.0
Seriously...A base C5 coupe running a 13.0 at 109 ( car and driver tested a convertable c5 to these numbers aginst a convertable 03 Cobra)would give the GT500 a decent run in the 1/4 mile and wouldnt be to far behind to 150 mph...
OK 3 seconds would mean that the C5 was pretty far behind at 150 mph but still...Come on. The C5 came out in late 1996
Great post. Great, useful information.
The motortrend this month, maybe last month now. The 500 HP american rocket one. on a road course the gt500 was only behind the viper and vette by 3 seconds. For all the weight complain and the bulkyness of it I say thats pretty damn good. Yeah the 1/4 isnt great but its got alot of weight to get moving and yeah its square jawed with no huge aerodynamic help but even with all this it didnt far as far behind the viper and c6 z06 as I thought it was. (and I have grown up under a ford roof) I picked up the mag and said yeah right the GT500 is gonna get spanked, yeah it lost in pretty much everything but not by much. And that is pretty impressive for this square jawed pig of a car to keep up with two light nimble aerodynamicly sound cars on a road course and mostly keep up in a straight line. Id also be willing to bet not every single person talking **** on the GT500 has a car that would wax its ***, So why not just admit its a pretty respectable car to even be close to the same class of the C6Z06 and SRT10 Viper.
Same here... no worries... 
Originally Posted by Almostryan3
The motortrend this month, maybe last month now. The 500 HP american rocket one. on a road course the gt500 was only behind the viper and vette by 3 seconds. For all the weight complain and the bulkyness of it I say thats pretty damn good. Yeah the 1/4 isnt great but its got alot of weight to get moving and yeah its square jawed with no huge aerodynamic help but even with all this it didnt far as far behind the viper and c6 z06 as I thought it was. (and I have grown up under a ford roof) I picked up the mag and said yeah right the GT500 is gonna get spanked, yeah it lost in pretty much everything but not by much. And that is pretty impressive for this square jawed pig of a car to keep up with two light nimble aerodynamicly sound cars on a road course and mostly keep up in a straight line. Id also be willing to bet not every single person talking **** on the GT500 has a car that would wax its ***, So why not just admit its a pretty respectable car to even be close to the same class of the C6Z06 and SRT10 Viper.
Yeah...but, think of 3 seconds a lap....how bad it would finish. Other then price, I don't know why they did a comparison with these cars, the viper, vette, and...no offense, but the mustang(as unique as it is)...?.... they should have used the ford GT. Again, i'm guessingthey didn't, due to the price tag of it.
...as far as respecting a car that goes 12's outta the box....well, I think just about every LS1 on this site is capable of doing just that, stock(atleast high 12's). Soo,...as far as cars on here not being able to beat a stock one?...I dunno about that bro. I have a hard time having respect for a vehicle, that comes from the factory, with a supercharger,...and still has trouble with stock, all motor cars.
Take off the blower, make 500 flywheel horsepower, you'll get my vote for respect. Otherwise, the factory blown fords outta be giving respect to the naturally aspirated V8's that stomp on them.
Soo....like steve says..."no worries"