And people who don't like drag racing say "drag racing is gay" So if you like drag racing and call roll racers gay, I say, "you are gay."

I don't like breaking **** all year round, what I do like is a 100% street car that has A/C and heat, full interior, can drive across country and back if I choose to, gets pretty good gas mileage for what it is, and a shitload of other things.

The ONLY ******* THING a drag car is good for is drag racing.....thats it. That is the ****** gayest of gay in my book. But hey, if you like it, go for it. I don't like cars that will roll over onto their roof if they take a corner too fast, or has only one seat, or gets 5 mpg, or has to take a trailer ride to the track, or blah, blah, blah.

Plus, a street car that I'll be building will drive 500 miles to a track and ***-rape 99% of all drag race cars "on a drag race track"...anyway. With the A/C blowing cold.

So I get the best of both worlds.


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I think people are just yanking your chain. Don't get so defensive.

 

A shop like NRE doesn't take a car and put a 1,500+ hp car into an otherwise stock car, they do whats necassary to make it work. NRE won't even do the work if certain other things aren't done because that would be letting a piece of **** go out of their shop, and reputation is everything.

The problem with some of the stupid ******** that post here is that they assume if someone posts a question like I did, "will a C6 fit in a Vette", or something simple and to the point like that, they're just assuming like a stupid ******* would that you're going to put it in a 100% stock tranny, rear-ended and suspension car. How GAY is that. I think alot of people here just have nothing better to do with their pathetic lives so they become haters because they don't have the money to do what some people can or just don;'t have the ***** to try.

But yes, I can assure you that NRE has a list of things that needs to be done, longer than the list of engine parts. Right down to the wind tunnel in Charlotte, NC


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It seems to happen in alot of threads, all the time though.


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Yeah, sometimes it sucks that the whole "free speech" thing applies to ******** too. Seriously though, if this project gets off the ground, don't forget to post results.

 

Free speech is cool, sure, its just used to be a jerk-off with some people.

But yes, I'll post about it. Hopefully a deposit can go down next month, thats the plan.

 

i dunno ive seen low 10 second street daily drivers w/ac powersteering full weight and still manage better than 16mph w/an lsx, never have i seen a bbc do that

 

but im not saying lsx's are better and never will just saying look at all the options

 

Nice what you going with? The SBC TT or BBC TT?

 

The BBC in a Vette was just a thought that has come and now its gone.

Well, which engine you ask:
This engine is a TT 427ci with 1,500 FWHP "mild cam in the 230 range" and "tuned rich" on this dyno run. He builds these as street engines for daily drivers. He also has 2 different TT 454ci engines, one with 1,850 FWHP and the other makes 2,300 FWHP. All run on "pump gas" to about 900-1,000 FWHP and than use stand alone tanks and 16 injector intakes to spray race gas when you reach a certain power level, "on the fly automatically". He just got done doing over 100 dyno pulls with his 2,300 FWHP engine, tore it down to inspect it and it looked like it had never be started up.

I'll have the money for any of them

TT 427, 1,500 FWHP dyno pull video:
http://www.nelsonracingengines.com/v...SBTT06HIGH.wmv

Still pondering the decision.


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Wow thats insane! Sick engines...personally id go all out and do the 454 TT over the 427 TT because if your spending a great deal of money on the build might as well go with the biggest and baddest engine they offer. Do it once and do it right because if you really want the 454 TT then go for it! 2300 fwhp on the street...that would be insane!

 

you're fucken kidding me right? keep to reading internet mechanic..

 

I've seen some people do some PRETTY stupid things with cars and fitting a 1,500 hp boat motor into a car with a 7.5 in rear end is pretty close to one of them (he did it to a Ford 9in.)

Of course saying a LSX can't handle is a lot like the time my nephew in law made a comment (with my login of course) saying Cobra drivers are a lot more seriously race minded than F-Body/Corvette driver's. I had to delete 14 posts that night with people flaming me for about a week, lotsa PM's sent telling them to buck off...

Besides anyone shelling out 35k for a car that looks like a 16k v6 Mustang must be serious about something...

I have seen some pretty crappy BBC's (255 454ci HD) and my personal favorite my old *** 301 with its WHOMPING 135hp on my old 1977 Firebird Espirit. Which is just 2hp less than a stock Civic a few years back.

I'm just saying that swinging off the ***** of a LS1 is bound to pull up quite a bit of flaming, especially adding in a SBC could take a C5R block when comparing strength.

A SBC with any ***** isn't a SBC anymore, the LT4 was basically the pinnacle of stock factory performance affordable and workable by the shade tree mechanic.

Besides I know lotsa truck guys running 1,200 hp with their LSX engines. Of course at that point they aren't an LSX anymore either. Only Vipers can go past 1,000 hp on stock parts with only a FI system (okay fuel system upgrades).

 

Holy ****, that was the most confusing post I've ever read.

So, are you for or against the LSx or do you like them over a sbc or bbc?




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the stupidity of some people.....

TWO WORDS PEOPLE (say them with me):

CUBIC INCHES!


The LSX is limited by a 4.4" bore spacing and as such will NEVER be able to go as large as a BBC with it's 4.84" bore spacing. The aftermarket iron blocks can go upwards of 4.6" (World says 4.625" on their Pro block) bore and have the option of 5.85" stroke on 10.2" deck height. That is.....lets hear it.... 786.2CIs

PLEASE!!! SHOW ME AN LSX WITH THOSE CIs!!!

Now yes, this block weighs 292lbs and since everyone is bitching about how much BBCs weigh, lets look at World's Merlin-X aluminum block. It weighs in at 140lbs (hmmm...LS1 is 80lbs right?) but sadly is limited to a 4.6" bore and 4.75" stroke. So sorry guys, you will only be able to pull off:

631.5CIs

Then lets get to cylinder heads. Brodix makes a wonderful CNC Ported PB 1200 cylinder head (12degree valve angle) that flows, ohhh.... 571CFM at 0.900" lift

Valve lift 0.200 0.300 0.400 0.500 0.600 0.700 0.800 0.900
2.520 Intake 147 227 312 388 460 509 545 571
1.860 Exhaust 126 180 224 264 305 319 333 338


anyone want to post up the LS7 flow numbers or should we just move on


Add to all of this the almost limitless combinations of parts, experience, and knowledge that has been amassed in the 60+ years of the BBC history and HONESTLY, say that in ANY POSSIBLE WAY one can build an LSX (or ANY SMALL BLOCK/4 banger/I don't give a f*ing crap what) that will do more than this. Unless you have a 1500CI V16 aircraft engine in your pocket, sit down and be quiet (and even then we need to talk about what you can reasonably come up with for that aircraft engine and what the hell you will fit a V16 in).


In short, STFU about how unbeatable the LSX is (PLEASE, TAKE THE NUTS OUT OF YOUR MOUTH because the LSX nutswinging is really ). YES, it is a VERY GOOD ENGINE! It is based out sound technology and experience (much of which you can be sure came from GMs history with racing old style big and small blocks) but it is STILL A SMALL BLOCK! It has its place in the world of hotrods and racing, but it IS NOT THE END ALL.

Where does the LSX win? Where weight, size, or CI limits make it the ideal engine. I see/think of cars every day that I daydream about "that would be so much fun with a LSX and a T56 in" but lets be honest about what really builds HP. Hell even a "like stock" with crap iron heads and a baby cam 502 builds over 500HP.



Now to answer the guys question, the big block can be made to fit (though there will be work to be done). As others have said, a BBC is going to be wider and taller (the length shouldn't be as much of an issue). I WOULD THINK the width would be more of an issue than height since you can make the hood as "high" as you want but are limited by the fenderwells and suspension. The hardest thing would really be getting the headers routed. You will be looking at well over 2" pipe (anyone know what kind of primary size we are talking about here for 2000HP?) and most people have a hard time getting 1-7/8" pipe to fit around a LSX. My guess is you would need to notch the frame in some places to make this work. Other than that, the fun will be making a drivetrain , frame, and tires to stand up to the punishment (but that's the fun part ). After that, it's all fun

 

hahah great post

 

Sorry I was a bit high on PCP when I posted that, plus my keyboard is buggy.

Nah, personally I don't really care what engine you run. If a Honda can beat my Z06 then damn, that is one hell of a Honda.

I would take a LS6 (in my Z06) over a BBC Chevy though. Why, because I can't put a BBC in my car and because I don't think I would like to drive 1,500 hp around daily, or get 1-2 gallons per mile.

Otherwise to each his own. Though I don't really care for the SBC nowadays though they really do sound nice. My old 301 sounded REALLY nice even though it was a POS. Of course a big reason I don't really like the SBC is because they stopped putting them into cars a decade ago and I don't do engine swaps because emissions are a bitch to pass.

I just think that people shouldn't get their tail feathers all ruffled up on either side and people should stop starting **** on a technical bulletin.

I mean its turning into old school chevy vs. new age chevy in here . In the end though as far as what engine you should put into a C6 the LSX gens will win. Have you ever seen the fab work required to put a SBC or a BBC into a F-Body let alone ripping apart a 45k-55k C6?

Then if the LS2 (or LS7 ) didn't put out enough power I doubt the IRS on a Cwhatever can handle over 700 hp with slicks (or without.)

 

Id go with the 427 or smaller sbc twin turbo. Honestly A BBC is just going to make TOO MUCH power to ever be able to put down on any kind of streetable tire even at 100+ mph!!!! Hell my cousins lexus sc-300 twin turbo 2JZ would spin the hell outta BFG drag radials at 100mph.....sometimes you can just have too much and it will actually slow you down.

And who needs a C6? Ill take that friggin guys NOVA!!!!! Good god thats a badass car....

 

I hear ya about the fabbing work required. I just asked the question to see if anyone did it, and this thread took off running in different directions.

My mind is made up to go sbc TT 454 in an F-Body. The builder already told me there's no need to use a BBC for the simple reason of massive torque with the BBC.


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