I raced him today... that was the outcome.... later.
mods to beat c6?
The OP's C6 driver and the one the other poster beat in the C5Z suck at driving. My C6 bone stock pulled a few lenghts on a bone stock GT500 from 50-140MPH. These C6s are no joke, but , unfortunately, some of the drivers are. Realistically, a H/C setup and good tune and intake, and the C5 has a great chance. The C5Z and the C6 is a pretty even match stock(drivers being equal), but after 120-140, the C6 will bust it a new one.
The OP's C6 driver and the one the other poster beat in the C5Z suck at driving. My C6 bone stock pulled a few lenghts on a bone stock GT500 from 50-140MPH. These C6s are no joke, but , unfortunately, some of the drivers are. Realistically, a H/C setup and good tune and intake, and the C5 has a great chance. The C5Z and the C6 is a pretty even match stock(drivers being equal), but after 120-140, the C6 will bust it a new one.
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45 minutes ago....
I just raced an '02 WS6 6 speed/headers while I was driving a stock '06 A6 'Vert....
He had a 3/4 car jump... by the time the auto downshifted and he was pulling...
I could hear him go through 2nd, 3rd.... and I was starting to gain by that time... he banged 4th a touch short and then let off. I was pulling pretty hard by then. I blew by him right as he was letting off....
You'll need more than headers in an even race.... My $.02
I just raced an '02 WS6 6 speed/headers while I was driving a stock '06 A6 'Vert....
He had a 3/4 car jump... by the time the auto downshifted and he was pulling...
I could hear him go through 2nd, 3rd.... and I was starting to gain by that time... he banged 4th a touch short and then let off. I was pulling pretty hard by then. I blew by him right as he was letting off....
You'll need more than headers in an even race.... My $.02
im going to have to disagree with you... my old t/a had a lid, and full exhaust and my own ls1 edit tuning which was basically just getting ltft's to 0. that car ran 12.98 at 111.9 with a craptastic 2.3 60ft time. now, the that is a heavy trans am(full weight) and i weigh about 270.
figure that kinda power in a vette(solid 200lbs lighter with lighter driver)
C6's are quick, no doubt... but they arent unbeatable.
like i said earlier. it would take between 350 and 375rwhp to beat one that is STOCK.
c5z? should win every time.
and yes, i hate the c6. mainly because im going to have to drop 8k on a forged short block and Ysi setup.
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Keep in mind guys i never said he was the best driver. Ive been with him in some of his previous imports and he could drive the **** out of those cars but ive never been in his vette when he was just killing it so i dont know where he shifts or anything. From a slow roll and a 50 kick i barely pull him in the TA, talk about him being upset!
Just for thought....what if the Stock C6 shows up with tires and possibly a Vararam or other CAI (also has a tune he isn't talking about) and say's he is still basically stock....and the C5 has no gear as you mention. He might say...well you have CAI and tires so why can't I ?
If the C6 shows up with say, a Vararam, DRs and some tuning it would likely then take a C5 manual with a Vararam, long tubes/off road X pipe, 4.10s, DRs/slicks, clutch and underdrive pulley to beat him, assuming equally skilled drivers.
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You went 8.52 at the same track, same day? Driver aside, not all tracks are created equal, in addition to the weather conditions at the tracks. Hard to compare times from different tracks without knowing everything.
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nope not at the same track same day as the other guys.....BUT the same day i run that time there was a stock a4 c6 that only went 8.77....im not downing the ls2.....i love em and want a ls2 stroker in my car but im just not impressed with them stock
a stock automatic C6 has torque management embedded into programming, it'll kill et's if the driver doesn't know how to deal with it(i.e. if they stomp the gas from a dead stop and hook well, TM kicks their ***), the C6 also has TC which, if left on, can cut out wheel spin, but also hurts et's badly. The A6 also has D and S modes as well as a paddle shift option, and D is not as performance oriented as S or S w/ paddles, so there are tons of varibles on the table. I can see poor times from a stock C6 owner who isn't used to TM, leaves TC on and uses D to make a pass at the track. Hence, my statement, it's the driver , not the car.
BTW, FWIW: if GM says a car they make will do 12.5's in the 1/4, rest assured that it can do a bit better with a decent driver. GM don't want the same stigma that Mazda and Ford has had in the past.Is much better to underestimate than bull **** your buyers.
BTW, FWIW: if GM says a car they make will do 12.5's in the 1/4, rest assured that it can do a bit better with a decent driver. GM don't want the same stigma that Mazda and Ford has had in the past.Is much better to underestimate than bull **** your buyers.
A manual C5 will need only...
a Vararam CAI
long tube headers and X pipe (with high flow cats or no cats at all)
tuning
possibly a better/newer clutch
drag radials or ET Street slicks
3.90 or 4.10 gears would certainly help but might not be necessary
and a good driver
...to beat a stock C6, a REALLY good driver might even be able to do it without one or two of the items listed above.
a Vararam CAI
long tube headers and X pipe (with high flow cats or no cats at all)
tuning
possibly a better/newer clutch
drag radials or ET Street slicks
3.90 or 4.10 gears would certainly help but might not be necessary
and a good driver
...to beat a stock C6, a REALLY good driver might even be able to do it without one or two of the items listed above.
a stock automatic C6 has torque management embedded into programming, it'll kill et's if the driver doesn't know how to deal with it(i.e. if they stomp the gas from a dead stop and hook well, TM kicks their ***), the C6 also has TC which, if left on, can cut out wheel spin, but also hurts et's badly. The A6 also has D and S modes as well as a paddle shift option, and D is not as performance oriented as S or S w/ paddles, so there are tons of varibles on the table. I can see poor times from a stock C6 owner who isn't used to TM, leaves TC on and uses D to make a pass at the track. Hence, my statement, it's the driver , not the car.
BTW, FWIW: if GM says a car they make will do 12.5's in the 1/4, rest assured that it can do a bit better with a decent driver. GM don't want the same stigma that Mazda and Ford has had in the past.Is much better to underestimate than bull **** your buyers.
BTW, FWIW: if GM says a car they make will do 12.5's in the 1/4, rest assured that it can do a bit better with a decent driver. GM don't want the same stigma that Mazda and Ford has had in the past.Is much better to underestimate than bull **** your buyers.
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I wouldn't either judging by the times I've seen when I ran in Cali....my times including. Certainly driver is part of it, I'm still learning to drive my car after 100+ passes. However, the majority of the times I went racing was with temps in the 90+ range, DA's from 3-5000k, etc. Add in bad driver and times just suck. My car gained 4 mph in the 1/8th after having it tuned though, reducing TM was the key. Some folks get good times with them, usually in good weather and decent tracks.
