9.98@138.80mph--stock bottom end 346 n/a
11-01-2008, 04:34 PM
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hahahaha...
I'm loving it...
This is what happens Rob when you avoid answering questions. This is not CorvetteForum, people around here know whats going on, have experience, and have seen a lot more then the 80% waxer population of the CF. You're poop aint going to fly where.
Still waiting for you to answer my questions. How long are you going to avoid them? Until you run 9.7 @ 145mph claiming Stock bottom end H/C at 3700lbs?
You're a joke... but you're entertaining...
I'm loving it...
This is what happens Rob when you avoid answering questions. This is not CorvetteForum, people around here know whats going on, have experience, and have seen a lot more then the 80% waxer population of the CF. You're poop aint going to fly where.
Still waiting for you to answer my questions. How long are you going to avoid them? Until you run 9.7 @ 145mph claiming Stock bottom end H/C at 3700lbs?
You're a joke... but you're entertaining...
11-01-2008, 05:54 PM
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I still laugh at the 'stock bottom end' claim everyone makes but has ARP rod bolts.
As soon as you crack the bolts on the oil pan, don't try and said it's a stock bottom end. Call it stock crank, stock displacement, but don't call it stock bottom end because if you're going as far as to change out the rod bolts, what else are you doing while in there? Cleaning up some casting flash??? Maybe knife edge the crank?? Point is, stop calling it a stock bottom end if you've removed the oil pan to change out stuff on the bottom end. It's like saying it's a cam only but you've pulled the heads and had them worked, but since they are the stock valved and stock casting head, it's a stock head... it just doesn't work.
As soon as you crack the bolts on the oil pan, don't try and said it's a stock bottom end. Call it stock crank, stock displacement, but don't call it stock bottom end because if you're going as far as to change out the rod bolts, what else are you doing while in there? Cleaning up some casting flash??? Maybe knife edge the crank?? Point is, stop calling it a stock bottom end if you've removed the oil pan to change out stuff on the bottom end. It's like saying it's a cam only but you've pulled the heads and had them worked, but since they are the stock valved and stock casting head, it's a stock head... it just doesn't work.
11-01-2008, 06:43 PM
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I still laugh at the 'stock bottom end' claim everyone makes but has ARP rod bolts.
As soon as you crack the bolts on the oil pan, don't try and said it's a stock bottom end. Call it stock crank, stock displacement, but don't call it stock bottom end because if you're going as far as to change out the rod bolts, what else are you doing while in there? Cleaning up some casting flash??? Maybe knife edge the crank?? Point is, stop calling it a stock bottom end if you've removed the oil pan to change out stuff on the bottom end. It's like saying it's a cam only but you've pulled the heads and had them worked, but since they are the stock valved and stock casting head, it's a stock head... it just doesn't work.
As soon as you crack the bolts on the oil pan, don't try and said it's a stock bottom end. Call it stock crank, stock displacement, but don't call it stock bottom end because if you're going as far as to change out the rod bolts, what else are you doing while in there? Cleaning up some casting flash??? Maybe knife edge the crank?? Point is, stop calling it a stock bottom end if you've removed the oil pan to change out stuff on the bottom end. It's like saying it's a cam only but you've pulled the heads and had them worked, but since they are the stock valved and stock casting head, it's a stock head... it just doesn't work.
Point is, I think having Rod bolts in his bottom end is the least of our worries. People have stun stock rod bolts past where Rob is shifting and the motors have lived, so its not like he is adding performance by adding rod bolts, he is adding cheap insurance.
Rob can have all the ARP rod bolts he wants... that is not the problem here...
Opinions are like...you fill in the rest.
11-01-2008, 08:02 PM
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thats BS... and people have put stock LS6 heads on Camaro's and Firebird's and called it Cam only... People have also put "Stock" 241's on cars that came with 853's and called them cam only as well.
Point is, I think having Rod bolts in his bottom end is the least of our worries. People have stun stock rod bolts past where Rob is shifting and the motors have lived, so its not like he is adding performance by adding rod bolts, he is adding cheap insurance.
Rob can have all the ARP rod bolts he wants... that is not the problem here...
Point is, I think having Rod bolts in his bottom end is the least of our worries. People have stun stock rod bolts past where Rob is shifting and the motors have lived, so its not like he is adding performance by adding rod bolts, he is adding cheap insurance.
Rob can have all the ARP rod bolts he wants... that is not the problem here...
11-01-2008, 09:08 PM
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thats BS... and people have put stock LS6 heads on Camaro's and Firebird's and called it Cam only... People have also put "Stock" 241's on cars that came with 853's and called them cam only as well.
Point is, I think having Rod bolts in his bottom end is the least of our worries. People have stun stock rod bolts past where Rob is shifting and the motors have lived, so its not like he is adding performance by adding rod bolts, he is adding cheap insurance.
Rob can have all the ARP rod bolts he wants... that is not the problem here...
Point is, I think having Rod bolts in his bottom end is the least of our worries. People have stun stock rod bolts past where Rob is shifting and the motors have lived, so its not like he is adding performance by adding rod bolts, he is adding cheap insurance.
Rob can have all the ARP rod bolts he wants... that is not the problem here...
doing like i did w/ swapping out my 853s for the 241s (for cam only) like others have said is fine.
just like w/ alex putting rod bolts in is fine, i havent done that yet, but its very good insurance. just like when you upgrade the valvetrain.
as for the times, i have to agree w/ alex. i put down 430/380 on a mustang dyno and you dont see me near the low 10s tho i just put on drag sus. and im at 3200 race weight, the mph is just outragous to me
h/c/i stock cube can go 134-135 but 138 is a lil hard to digest
just my .02
drop your price to 2k and we have a deal providing you run at worst a 10.0-10.1 the same day
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11-02-2008, 06:18 AM
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Well, I swing the nut...you swing the ban stick...we know who wins there. Though, I do find the term a bit condescending, I guess as a mod you have the perrogative to use it.
As for Rob, I know him much better than most here. I've sat at his dinner table and broken bread with his family, helped him move furniture in his house, gone fishing with him, his brother and their other close friends/family. I know him to have the utmost integrity. To question him and suggest he's lying is to question AMR and suggest they are lying as well, since Rob represents them. Just in case you all aren't aware of it, AMR is not an "official" shop but rather a small group of friends/enthusiasts who do this type of thing in their spare time. The key person in AMR, Tommy happens to be one of the most respected Chevy specialists (he is a chief tech at a large dealership in NJ) in the tri-state region and it is likely his advice has been given directly (or indirectly) to some of the "stalker kids" posting here and trying their best to discredit Rob's run.
I just hope that when all of the doubters are satisfied and proved wrong they all come out and be as vocal with their apologies to Rob as they have been with their criticisms of him. Me? I'm a nut-swinger, so I won't expect any consideration.
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11-02-2008, 06:34 AM
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It wouldn't be logical...and you have to ask yourself the same question.
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11-02-2008, 07:56 AM
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h/c/i stock cube can go 134-135 but 138 is a lil hard to digest
I guess no one's paying attention the details and that's why there is so much controversy and why possible people's combo aren't performing to their full potential.
It almost makes me understand why people don't understand.
11-02-2008, 08:16 AM
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kinda funny...when you did the 10.22 pass (1st passes on the new setup) there was no fit being thrown....2 and a half tenths later and 4 mph later...**** hits the fan
And honestly I dont know why these guys give such a crap and make such a big deal out of it...who cares...ya got a fast car congrats
And honestly I dont know why these guys give such a crap and make such a big deal out of it...who cares...ya got a fast car congrats
11-02-2008, 10:13 AM
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Listen all you doubters, I just spoke w/ rob and he has told my some "secrets" as to why the car runs the way it does... Actually the secrets arent really secrets, anybody who's been racing knows what it takes to make a car run the #.... Key word is RPM and powerband... thats all im gonna say.... enough w/ all the BS statments, just be happy for the guy....
11-02-2008, 10:22 AM
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Geneus, rob and I have been talking via PM and explaining both our opinions and sides to eachother. He is extremely vague in answering questions both on here AND via PM. Now i don't know if its just a bad habit to be like that or what but I just do not understand why he doesn't be more clear about a couple of very simple things that would make the drag racing math actually add up here. Insisting the math adds up when it clearly does NOT is just prolonging the argument with everyone.
PS--nobody cares if you have had dinner with the guy's family, if anything that makes it sound like you would be MORE likely to help him BS on something. I told Rob..independent party at the track, look through the car, weight it in, and watch it run. Then done, all the argument is over and we all congratulate and adore him. Why all the bullshit?
PS--nobody cares if you have had dinner with the guy's family, if anything that makes it sound like you would be MORE likely to help him BS on something. I told Rob..independent party at the track, look through the car, weight it in, and watch it run. Then done, all the argument is over and we all congratulate and adore him. Why all the bullshit?
11-02-2008, 11:12 AM
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Geneus, rob and I have been talking via PM and explaining both our opinions and sides to eachother. He is extremely vague in answering questions both on here AND via PM. Now i don't know if its just a bad habit to be like that or what but I just do not understand why he doesn't be more clear about a couple of very simple things that would make the drag racing math actually add up here. Insisting the math adds up when it clearly does NOT is just prolonging the argument with everyone.
PS--nobody cares if you have had dinner with the guy's family, if anything that makes it sound like you would be MORE likely to help him BS on something. I told Rob..independent party at the track, look through the car, weight it in, and watch it run. Then done, all the argument is over and we all congratulate and adore him. Why all the bullshit?
PS--nobody cares if you have had dinner with the guy's family, if anything that makes it sound like you would be MORE likely to help him BS on something. I told Rob..independent party at the track, look through the car, weight it in, and watch it run. Then done, all the argument is over and we all congratulate and adore him. Why all the bullshit?
Well, I am glad your are in communication with him...I understand why there is some vaguity in his replies as I know the whole background story. As for my having sat down to eat with him...he's a friend, and I'm certain he's had other friends over to eat, though likely many of them don't go onto these boards. My support is not causal...it's based on knowledge of the circumstances and the work he and AMR have put into this project.
You mention the "drag math" and I point to the physics. There were some earlier posts (which have been eliminated) suggesting that Rob's run defies the laws of physics. I've asked the question repeatedly how is that so, and yet no one has been able to answer.
I guess until someone can show me how it is physically impossible I will continue to ask that his post be proven impossible...by the laws of physics. I can't explain myself any other way...I'm sorry if I'm dense, or appear so.
11-02-2008, 11:23 AM
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i have no idea why the laws of physics came into this.
Like I just told Rob in PM. people are doubting this based on two facts:
1--MPH does not add up based on claimed weight and HP level
2--HUGE gain in MPH in last 1/8th is very akin to a power adder or high revving big cube car.
The folks saying this are saying it because we have been around a million setups over the years of racing along with the timeslips attached to those setups, and nobody has ever seen a setup like this do what it is.
He accused me of "pumping him for knowledge" about his setup in PM because I asked about the weight, and ONLY the weight. I honestly laughed out loud. That kind of bullshit attitude only adds to the problem. I have a blown camaro with a th400 in it, what in the **** do I care about his motor for?
Like I just told Rob in PM. people are doubting this based on two facts:
1--MPH does not add up based on claimed weight and HP level
2--HUGE gain in MPH in last 1/8th is very akin to a power adder or high revving big cube car.
The folks saying this are saying it because we have been around a million setups over the years of racing along with the timeslips attached to those setups, and nobody has ever seen a setup like this do what it is.
He accused me of "pumping him for knowledge" about his setup in PM because I asked about the weight, and ONLY the weight. I honestly laughed out loud. That kind of bullshit attitude only adds to the problem. I have a blown camaro with a th400 in it, what in the **** do I care about his motor for?
11-02-2008, 11:57 AM
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I can see the reception on Ls1tech is a little less friendly than on corvetteforum. Anyway I sent robz a pm on corvetteforum to try and get a little more info on the setup and I havent gotten a response, obviously because he's been defending himself on here. Anyway I figured to run those times, hes ported the fast intake, hand finnished the heads and milled them extensivly and could be running 12-14:1 compression on race gas (and still say he drives it on the street and not be lying) and it mmmmiiiiighhhtt run those times but I would think he'd also dyno quite a bit higher as well.. so I'm lost.. I just wanted some more info on the setup because if it runs those times in a 3300lb vette it should run even better in a stripped Rx7.
Also Anger management racing might want to back this guy up if they did in fact come up with this 9 second combo and start marketing it because they can make serious money.. I know I have money in hand waiting to hear about this. I was planning on going FI in the future to get these sorts of results but hell if someone can pull off these results NA.. I'm all for it.
Also Anger management racing might want to back this guy up if they did in fact come up with this 9 second combo and start marketing it because they can make serious money.. I know I have money in hand waiting to hear about this. I was planning on going FI in the future to get these sorts of results but hell if someone can pull off these results NA.. I'm all for it.
11-02-2008, 12:05 PM
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I can see the reception on Ls1tech is a little less friendly than on corvetteforum. Anyway I sent robz a pm on corvetteforum to try and get a little more info on the setup and I havent gotten a response, obviously because he's been defending himself on here. Anyway I figured to run those times, hes ported the fast intake, hand finnished the heads and milled them extensivly and could be running 12-14:1 compression on race gas (and still say he drives it on the street and not be lying) and it mmmmiiiiighhhtt run those times but I would think he'd also dyno quite a bit higher as well.. so I'm lost.. I just wanted some more info on the setup because if it runs those times in a 3300lb vette it should run even better in a stripped Rx7.
Also Anger management racing might want to back this guy up if they did in fact come up with this 9 second combo and start marketing it because they can make serious money.. I know I have money in hand waiting to hear about this. I was planning on going FI in the future to get these sorts of results but hell if someone can pull off these results NA.. I'm all for it.
Also Anger management racing might want to back this guy up if they did in fact come up with this 9 second combo and start marketing it because they can make serious money.. I know I have money in hand waiting to hear about this. I was planning on going FI in the future to get these sorts of results but hell if someone can pull off these results NA.. I'm all for it.
I run 93 octane. My dyno numbers have been posted on the forums.
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11-02-2008, 12:10 PM
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i have no idea why the laws of physics came into this.
Like I just told Rob in PM. people are doubting this based on two facts:
1--MPH does not add up based on claimed weight and HP level
2--HUGE gain in MPH in last 1/8th is very akin to a power adder or high revving big cube car.
Like I just told Rob in PM. people are doubting this based on two facts:
1--MPH does not add up based on claimed weight and HP level
2--HUGE gain in MPH in last 1/8th is very akin to a power adder or high revving big cube car.
2) I have several timeslips where I gained 30+ mph from the 1/4-1/8 over the past years which i mentioned several times, yet you say i'm being evasive. I have given out a tremendous amount of info if you read all the posts.( only if you care, which it seems like you do).
