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Old Sep 5, 2015 | 05:07 PM
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3600 race weight
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Why will this car not mph???
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Old Sep 5, 2015 | 05:19 PM
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small stall for 1/8 mile on a relatively heavy car for a 4th gen active racer...
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So the stall accounts for a 3-4mph drop?

Should the car not be trapping 96 or better?
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What's your rwhp? What's your setup consist of? And I don't know why buy I really haven't seen a well performing ls 383.Yourrs seems on par with the others I have seen. And I agree with the stall comment and depending on cam it should at least 3600 imo
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What was the DA and temps that day?
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So the stall accounts for a 3-4mph drop?

Should the car not be trapping 96 or better?
a higher stall will help it get into the meat of the powerband quicker and stay there throughout the pass , no I am not saying it will add 3-4 mph to the trap by itself but it will help.Scott5 brought up cam , you didn't mention cam but sice you put the effort to do a stroker motor if you also did a cam upgrade they will be a turd without a stall that lets it quickly match rpm to that cams powerband (usually 4000 stall or higher for optimal with aftermarket cam which generally raises powerband across the board including needing to rev higher than stock cammed setups)

Like HCI2000ss is saying what was the DA , poor da can easily rob a couple mph as well. Drag Times da calculator doesn't list that track (us43) but I grabbed the same time from your time slip(7:00) , same day (9/4/15) at another track in TN and it was 88* and the da was terrible 3100 feet.....

you also list an s60 rear end which is an awesome upgrade but has more parasitic loss than a 10 bolt but when you get your 60 foots in the sub 1.5 range its nice to have that durability.

you also mention 373's , been too many years since I had my 373 geared car to the track (stock internals full weight 1.8 60 ft 7.7@90 in 1/8 12.1 @112 1/4 mile) but I imagine your crossing the traps in 2nd ? at what rpm ? to optimize for 8th it should be at or close to redline crossing the traps.

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What's your rwhp? What's your setup consist of? And I don't know why buy I really haven't seen a well performing ls 383.Yourrs seems on par with the others I have seen. And I agree with the stall comment and depending on cam it should at least 3600 imo
fast 92/92
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242/248 low .600 lift 112 lsa (could it be overcammed?)
PRC stage 1 243 heads
419 rwhp 400tq (Could be the weakest 383 in history?)

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What was the DA and temps that day?
DA was 2350

Temp was 80 w/ 94% humidity
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DA was 2350

Temp was 80 w/ 94% humidity
Well that DA and humidity are hurting you for sure. I see you dynoed 419 rwhp but I wouldn't worry about that number....it's just a number. Honestly better track conditions along with a better stall would make a HUGE difference. As long as your tune is good of couse
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Well that DA and humidity are hurting you for sure. I see you dynoed 419 rwhp but I wouldn't worry about that number....it's just a number. Honestly better track conditions along with a better stall would make a HUGE difference. As long as your tune is good of couse
The low dyno number to me also coincides with the low mph. Any reasons as to why this combination shouldn't make 430hp or better?

The motor pulls to around 6300 then starts to slowly fall off.

Not chasing a dyno number. Chasing 10's n/a (6.80's 1/8th)
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Originally Posted by 6SSPEED
The low dyno number to me also coincides with the low mph. Any reasons as to why this combination shouldn't make 430hp or better?

The motor pulls to around 6300 then starts to slowly fall off.

Not chasing a dyno number. Chasing 10's n/a (6.80's 1/8th)
Agreed. That dyno reading is very low which agrees with your MPH. Have a wideband? Verify proper AFR through the pull and verify proper timing either with your plugs or an obd2 scanner, or hptuners. I find it hard to believe the car runs out of steam at 6300 rpm with that camshaft. I suspect the stall is to blame for your crappy MPH if everything else is in check.
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The dyno number may or may not say something here. Do you know what others have made on this dyno?
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checking afr with a wideband during a pull would be great as mentioned above and checking fuel pressure would as well to see if fuel pressure is dropping off , that cam should want to pull hard up there not drop off.

Do you have a tuner & wideband ?
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Originally Posted by HCI2000SS
The dyno number may or may not say something here. Do you know what others have made on this dyno?
The dyno is a heartbreaker. The shop is also about 10-15 degrees hotter than outside air.
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checking afr with a wideband during a pull would be great as mentioned above and checking fuel pressure would as well to see if fuel pressure is dropping off , that cam should want to pull hard up there not drop off.

Do you have a tuner & wideband ?
Afr stayed around 12.7 or 12.8 during the dyno pull. I need to meet up with my tuner to data log a few track runs. Could the heads possibly be holding the cam back? The cam should pull well past 6300.

Will also check with tuner about fuel pressure at wot.

Thanks for the responses guys, keep it commin
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I am still going to be some blame on the stall as of right now if you were going to change one thing, this would be it. 3600-4200, depending on who's stall it is, call them because I am ASSUMING that you had that stall before the 383.

But the numbers seem low imo and only pulling to 6300 is another thing. Have you checked your plugs lately? Vacuum leaks? What size pump do you have? I too would look into the fuel pressure during a data log down the track.
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Actually peaking at around 6300 is about where it should peak at. It will drop slightly from there. Can you post the dyno chart?
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I am still going to be some blame on the stall as of right now if you were going to change one thing, this would be it. 3600-4200, depending on who's stall it is, call them because I am ASSUMING that you had that stall before the 383.

But the numbers seem low imo and only pulling to 6300 is another thing. Have you checked your plugs lately? Vacuum leaks? What size pump do you have? I too would look into the fuel pressure during a data log down the track.
The stall was a 2500 before I loosened it up to a 3000. Now, before we go throwing stones at the converter let me say this. The car would cut consistent 1.46-1.47's when it was a 2500. But that was also with a 230/236 cam. Now that the cam is much larger I loosened up the stall to compensate for that.

I understand when I changed the cam/stall that kinda makes the comparison apples to oranges though.

Pump is stock with 112k miles on it. Injectors are 42 pound and are at 70% duty cycle.

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Actually peaking at around 6300 is about where it should peak at. It will drop slightly from there. Can you post the dyno chart?
This is the best pull. Also note this is with 3 inch cutout OPEN. The track passes were also with cutout open.

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are you on all 8 cylinders? spray each primary with water and see if steam comes out out of each header primary.. it would seem youre best shifting at 6k and i find that hard to believe with that cam.
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