9s CAM ONLY new record !!!!
I have run the numbers at multiple weights and DA's and your ET's dont match the setup. This has been pointed out before in this thread already.
It has is proven time and time again by other's in the same ranks as your with the ET's falling in mid 10.2x's. I am trying to find where you picked up the ET from.
Just being thorough
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Not slow at all. I just dont sleep much. I am thorough when it comes to looking at builds, and what it takes to run a number. I dont hide behind a Key Board and play the lets keep a secret game.
I have run the numbers at multiple weights and DA's and your ET's dont match the setup. This has been pointed out before in this thread already.
It has is proven time and time again by other's in the same ranks as your with the ET's falling in mid 10.2x's. I am trying to find where you picked up the ET from.
Just being thorough .
I have run the numbers at multiple weights and DA's and your ET's dont match the setup. This has been pointed out before in this thread already.
It has is proven time and time again by other's in the same ranks as your with the ET's falling in mid 10.2x's. I am trying to find where you picked up the ET from.
Just being thorough
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I was asking for a valid response because obviously you all know something that the rest of the LS1 world doesn't know. Your car basically averaged a 7.5:1 dynamic compression ratio and would be 10.2:1 static. With that cam bleeding off cylinder pressure the way it does I just do not see the logical reasoning behind using such a high octane fuel. The 241 head flow characteristics along with the cam is what make the cam only cars run the way they do. We will be using a custom hydraulic cam in our car and may actually run several different cams on the engine dyno.
Here is what I do not understand...you look back in the days with Rodney (smokin 01TA), Jason (jason 99ta), 01-Z, Magnus, and LS1Joe. Rodney and Jason ran T-Rex cam and proshifted 6 speeds which should out MPH an auto car for sure, 01-Z and Magnus both ran the LG G5X4 cam and TH350's IIRC, and LS1Joe ran a solid roller with a faceplated and proshifted 6 speed IIRC. The 6 speed guys made roughly 440rwhp IIRC with the T-Rex and Fast 90/90's. I don't remember what 01-Z and Magnus made, and I believe Joe was in the 450rwhp range. Jason, Rodney, and Joe ran in better DA than when you made your passes and you all managed 132 MPH. They were all 6 speeds. When you look at the MPH on the auto guys, you see with roughly the same DA or maybe a little worse on their part they ran 128 MPH. 4 MPH is a LOT of horsepower on the same weight and in the same weather.
All the above mentioned cars all had some type of ram air setup so maybe we chalk it up to your ram air setup picking up 4mph over the other auto cars. Maybe if we saw your ram air setup we would know. I don't care about the guys that saw the car at the track, you wanna talk internet talk about an internet record then show the people on the internet pics under the hood. Bottom line is when there is something in question the easiest way to shut the critics is to give them what they want.
All I am saying is that something doesn't add up. I bow down to you for running the number you did, that is awesome in and of itself, my only thing is if you want to use your car for what you want to make the rules as, there has to be some sort of factual data for proof.
I am also completely confused on the fact that you used 100 octane race fuel for a 10.2:1 motor. I've had several naturally aspirated LS1's. the 2 346's that I've had were 11.0:1 and would lose power after 28 to 29 degrees of timing even with good fuel. Both of them made more power with 93 pump gas and ran quicker and faster on the track with 93. Granted my cars have been full weight street cars and can in no way compare to what you accomplished, but it's not rocket science.
All in all, congrats on what you have accomplished big time. I mean no way to be disrespectful, but I feel the questions are legitimate. Don't talk about doing research because you can't say for one second you didn't research anything into what worked and what didn't work before you built your car for it's stated purpose. Game On!
Here is what I do not understand...you look back in the days with Rodney (smokin 01TA), Jason (jason 99ta), 01-Z, Magnus, and LS1Joe. Rodney and Jason ran T-Rex cam and proshifted 6 speeds which should out MPH an auto car for sure, 01-Z and Magnus both ran the LG G5X4 cam and TH350's IIRC, and LS1Joe ran a solid roller with a faceplated and proshifted 6 speed IIRC. The 6 speed guys made roughly 440rwhp IIRC with the T-Rex and Fast 90/90's. I don't remember what 01-Z and Magnus made, and I believe Joe was in the 450rwhp range. Jason, Rodney, and Joe ran in better DA than when you made your passes and you all managed 132 MPH. They were all 6 speeds. When you look at the MPH on the auto guys, you see with roughly the same DA or maybe a little worse on their part they ran 128 MPH. 4 MPH is a LOT of horsepower on the same weight and in the same weather.
All the above mentioned cars all had some type of ram air setup so maybe we chalk it up to your ram air setup picking up 4mph over the other auto cars. Maybe if we saw your ram air setup we would know. I don't care about the guys that saw the car at the track, you wanna talk internet talk about an internet record then show the people on the internet pics under the hood. Bottom line is when there is something in question the easiest way to shut the critics is to give them what they want.
All I am saying is that something doesn't add up. I bow down to you for running the number you did, that is awesome in and of itself, my only thing is if you want to use your car for what you want to make the rules as, there has to be some sort of factual data for proof.
I am also completely confused on the fact that you used 100 octane race fuel for a 10.2:1 motor. I've had several naturally aspirated LS1's. the 2 346's that I've had were 11.0:1 and would lose power after 28 to 29 degrees of timing even with good fuel. Both of them made more power with 93 pump gas and ran quicker and faster on the track with 93. Granted my cars have been full weight street cars and can in no way compare to what you accomplished, but it's not rocket science.
All in all, congrats on what you have accomplished big time. I mean no way to be disrespectful, but I feel the questions are legitimate. Don't talk about doing research because you can't say for one second you didn't research anything into what worked and what didn't work before you built your car for it's stated purpose. Game On!
i was asking for a valid response because obviously you all know something that the rest of the ls1 world doesn't know. Your car basically averaged a 7.5:1 dynamic compression ratio and would be 10.2:1 static. With that cam bleeding off cylinder pressure the way it does i just do not see the logical reasoning behind using such a high octane fuel. The 241 head flow characteristics along with the cam is what make the cam only cars run the way they do. We will be using a custom hydraulic cam in our car and may actually run several different cams on the engine dyno.
Here is what i do not understand...you look back in the days with rodney (smokin 01ta), jason (jason 99ta), 01-z, magnus, and ls1joe. Rodney and jason ran t-rex cam and proshifted 6 speeds which should out mph an auto car for sure, 01-z and magnus both ran the lg g5x4 cam and th350's iirc, and ls1joe ran a solid roller with a faceplated and proshifted 6 speed iirc. The 6 speed guys made roughly 440rwhp iirc with the t-rex and fast 90/90's. I don't remember what 01-z and magnus made, and i believe joe was in the 450rwhp range. Jason, rodney, and joe ran in better da than when you made your passes and you all managed 132 mph. They were all 6 speeds. When you look at the mph on the auto guys, you see with roughly the same da or maybe a little worse on their part they ran 128 mph. 4 mph is a lot of horsepower on the same weight and in the same weather.
All the above mentioned cars all had some type of ram air setup so maybe we chalk it up to your ram air setup picking up 4mph over the other auto cars. Maybe if we saw your ram air setup we would know. I don't care about the guys that saw the car at the track, you wanna talk internet talk about an internet record then show the people on the internet pics under the hood. Bottom line is when there is something in question the easiest way to shut the critics is to give them what they want.
All i am saying is that something doesn't add up. I bow down to you for running the number you did, that is awesome in and of itself, my only thing is if you want to use your car for what you want to make the rules as, there has to be some sort of factual data for proof.
I am also completely confused on the fact that you used 100 octane race fuel for a 10.2:1 motor. I've had several naturally aspirated ls1's. The 2 346's that i've had were 11.0:1 and would lose power after 28 to 29 degrees of timing even with good fuel. Both of them made more power with 93 pump gas and ran quicker and faster on the track with 93. Granted my cars have been full weight street cars and can in no way compare to what you accomplished, but it's not rocket science.
All in all, congrats on what you have accomplished big time. I mean no way to be disrespectful, but i feel the questions are legitimate. Don't talk about doing research because you can't say for one second you didn't research anything into what worked and what didn't work before you built your car for it's stated purpose. Game on!
Here is what i do not understand...you look back in the days with rodney (smokin 01ta), jason (jason 99ta), 01-z, magnus, and ls1joe. Rodney and jason ran t-rex cam and proshifted 6 speeds which should out mph an auto car for sure, 01-z and magnus both ran the lg g5x4 cam and th350's iirc, and ls1joe ran a solid roller with a faceplated and proshifted 6 speed iirc. The 6 speed guys made roughly 440rwhp iirc with the t-rex and fast 90/90's. I don't remember what 01-z and magnus made, and i believe joe was in the 450rwhp range. Jason, rodney, and joe ran in better da than when you made your passes and you all managed 132 mph. They were all 6 speeds. When you look at the mph on the auto guys, you see with roughly the same da or maybe a little worse on their part they ran 128 mph. 4 mph is a lot of horsepower on the same weight and in the same weather.
All the above mentioned cars all had some type of ram air setup so maybe we chalk it up to your ram air setup picking up 4mph over the other auto cars. Maybe if we saw your ram air setup we would know. I don't care about the guys that saw the car at the track, you wanna talk internet talk about an internet record then show the people on the internet pics under the hood. Bottom line is when there is something in question the easiest way to shut the critics is to give them what they want.
All i am saying is that something doesn't add up. I bow down to you for running the number you did, that is awesome in and of itself, my only thing is if you want to use your car for what you want to make the rules as, there has to be some sort of factual data for proof.
I am also completely confused on the fact that you used 100 octane race fuel for a 10.2:1 motor. I've had several naturally aspirated ls1's. The 2 346's that i've had were 11.0:1 and would lose power after 28 to 29 degrees of timing even with good fuel. Both of them made more power with 93 pump gas and ran quicker and faster on the track with 93. Granted my cars have been full weight street cars and can in no way compare to what you accomplished, but it's not rocket science.
All in all, congrats on what you have accomplished big time. I mean no way to be disrespectful, but i feel the questions are legitimate. Don't talk about doing research because you can't say for one second you didn't research anything into what worked and what didn't work before you built your car for it's stated purpose. Game on!
I was asking for a valid response because obviously you all know something that the rest of the LS1 world doesn't know. Your car basically averaged a 7.5:1 dynamic compression ratio and would be 10.2:1 static. With that cam bleeding off cylinder pressure the way it does I just do not see the logical reasoning behind using such a high octane fuel. The 241 head flow characteristics along with the cam is what make the cam only cars run the way they do. We will be using a custom hydraulic cam in our car and may actually run several different cams on the engine dyno.
Here is what I do not understand...you look back in the days with Rodney (smokin 01TA), Jason (jason 99ta), 01-Z, Magnus, and LS1Joe. Rodney and Jason ran T-Rex cam and proshifted 6 speeds which should out MPH an auto car for sure, 01-Z and Magnus both ran the LG G5X4 cam and TH350's IIRC, and LS1Joe ran a solid roller with a faceplated and proshifted 6 speed IIRC. The 6 speed guys made roughly 440rwhp IIRC with the T-Rex and Fast 90/90's. I don't remember what 01-Z and Magnus made, and I believe Joe was in the 450rwhp range. Jason, Rodney, and Joe ran in better DA than when you made your passes and you all managed 132 MPH. They were all 6 speeds. When you look at the MPH on the auto guys, you see with roughly the same DA or maybe a little worse on their part they ran 128 MPH. 4 MPH is a LOT of horsepower on the same weight and in the same weather.
All the above mentioned cars all had some type of ram air setup so maybe we chalk it up to your ram air setup picking up 4mph over the other auto cars. Maybe if we saw your ram air setup we would know. I don't care about the guys that saw the car at the track, you wanna talk internet talk about an internet record then show the people on the internet pics under the hood. Bottom line is when there is something in question the easiest way to shut the critics is to give them what they want.
All I am saying is that something doesn't add up. I bow down to you for running the number you did, that is awesome in and of itself, my only thing is if you want to use your car for what you want to make the rules as, there has to be some sort of factual data for proof.
I am also completely confused on the fact that you used 100 octane race fuel for a 10.2:1 motor. I've had several naturally aspirated LS1's. the 2 346's that I've had were 11.0:1 and would lose power after 28 to 29 degrees of timing even with good fuel. Both of them made more power with 93 pump gas and ran quicker and faster on the track with 93. Granted my cars have been full weight street cars and can in no way compare to what you accomplished, but it's not rocket science.
All in all, congrats on what you have accomplished big time. I mean no way to be disrespectful, but I feel the questions are legitimate. Don't talk about doing research because you can't say for one second you didn't research anything into what worked and what didn't work before you built your car for it's stated purpose. Game On!
Here is what I do not understand...you look back in the days with Rodney (smokin 01TA), Jason (jason 99ta), 01-Z, Magnus, and LS1Joe. Rodney and Jason ran T-Rex cam and proshifted 6 speeds which should out MPH an auto car for sure, 01-Z and Magnus both ran the LG G5X4 cam and TH350's IIRC, and LS1Joe ran a solid roller with a faceplated and proshifted 6 speed IIRC. The 6 speed guys made roughly 440rwhp IIRC with the T-Rex and Fast 90/90's. I don't remember what 01-Z and Magnus made, and I believe Joe was in the 450rwhp range. Jason, Rodney, and Joe ran in better DA than when you made your passes and you all managed 132 MPH. They were all 6 speeds. When you look at the MPH on the auto guys, you see with roughly the same DA or maybe a little worse on their part they ran 128 MPH. 4 MPH is a LOT of horsepower on the same weight and in the same weather.
All the above mentioned cars all had some type of ram air setup so maybe we chalk it up to your ram air setup picking up 4mph over the other auto cars. Maybe if we saw your ram air setup we would know. I don't care about the guys that saw the car at the track, you wanna talk internet talk about an internet record then show the people on the internet pics under the hood. Bottom line is when there is something in question the easiest way to shut the critics is to give them what they want.
All I am saying is that something doesn't add up. I bow down to you for running the number you did, that is awesome in and of itself, my only thing is if you want to use your car for what you want to make the rules as, there has to be some sort of factual data for proof.
I am also completely confused on the fact that you used 100 octane race fuel for a 10.2:1 motor. I've had several naturally aspirated LS1's. the 2 346's that I've had were 11.0:1 and would lose power after 28 to 29 degrees of timing even with good fuel. Both of them made more power with 93 pump gas and ran quicker and faster on the track with 93. Granted my cars have been full weight street cars and can in no way compare to what you accomplished, but it's not rocket science.
All in all, congrats on what you have accomplished big time. I mean no way to be disrespectful, but I feel the questions are legitimate. Don't talk about doing research because you can't say for one second you didn't research anything into what worked and what didn't work before you built your car for it's stated purpose. Game On!
We out 60 everyone by .05 do the math . the car is very efficient and light. Took us 3 years to get were we are at learned alot. 
.... there was engine pics posted some were let me try and find them. So the .05 you have them by on the 60 foot equates to the .4 of a second you have and the 4 MPH you have on the other auto cars. Your 3 years worth of trying for this and you didn't research anything? You said it yourself you did R&D on the intake so that's research, don't fault us for doing the same thing before we even hit the track. I do not care if we have to drive 1000 miles and find -2500 DA, we will do what is needed to get the end result the same as you.
We have our own idea of what to do different for a ram air setup. We will however post pictures as we go and progress. We have nothing to hide. If everyone in the game were secretive the LS1 platform would not be where it is today! It would be nice if we could share some info back and fourth for records and rules are made to be BROKEN!
We have our own idea of what to do different for a ram air setup. We will however post pictures as we go and progress. We have nothing to hide. If everyone in the game were secretive the LS1 platform would not be where it is today! It would be nice if we could share some info back and fourth for records and rules are made to be BROKEN!
So the .05 you have them by on the 60 foot equates to the .4 of a second you have and the 4 MPH you have on the other auto cars. Your 3 years worth of trying for this and you didn't research anything? You said it yourself you did R&D on the suspension so that's research, don't fault us for doing the same thing before we even hit the track. I do not care if we have to drive 1000 miles and find -2500 DA, we will do what is needed to get the end result the same as you.
No one has said for sure anything that is going in our car or what the setup will be. I guess we can be secretive too at this point Besides our car is a 2002 Formula and will be in the REAL CAM ONLY LS1 Platform, we're not a hybrid
Besides our car is a 2002 Formula and will be in the REAL CAM ONLY LS1 Platform, we're not a hybrid 
I look at it like this "why hold back the LS1 community" if you know something let others know.. Someone out there might think of something else you haven't and get the cam only cars even faster..
Yes your record might be broke but if eveyone looks at it like this ... you could comeback with what they did and do it even better.
I would like to see the ram air system you did to to your cam only Camaro.
Awesome job being the first 9's Ls1 cam only F-body car in the world..
Yes your record might be broke but if eveyone looks at it like this ... you could comeback with what they did and do it even better.
I would like to see the ram air system you did to to your cam only Camaro.
Awesome job being the first 9's Ls1 cam only F-body car in the world..
So the .05 you have them by on the 60 foot equates to the .4 of a second you have and the 4 MPH you have on the other auto cars. Your 3 years worth of trying for this and you didn't research anything? You said it yourself you did R&D on the intake so that's research, don't fault us for doing the same thing before we even hit the track. I do not care if we have to drive 1000 miles and find -2500 DA, we will do what is needed to get the end result the same as you.
We have our own idea of what to do different for a ram air setup. We will however post pictures as we go and progress. We have nothing to hide. If everyone in the game were secretive the LS1 platform would not be where it is today! It would be nice if we could share some info back and fourth for records and rules are made to be BROKEN!
We have our own idea of what to do different for a ram air setup. We will however post pictures as we go and progress. We have nothing to hide. If everyone in the game were secretive the LS1 platform would not be where it is today! It would be nice if we could share some info back and fourth for records and rules are made to be BROKEN!
No offense, but we don't need your motor, we have our own setup that we will try. I agree to the disadvantage or advantage, I was just giving you $HiT lol...We have set goals to reach along the way. We are already to a disadvantage with out home track being Beech Bend. The track is 400ft above sea level and the humidity is never under 85% so the DA here sucks. We want to reach certain ascertainable goals here and then we will venture out to get a legitimate shot at it if we even get that far.