Tekhombre

Here are the recorded scale weight, ets and mph for the day that we have.

Jared C, J-Rod car# 420
10.673 @ 126.17 pass 3200#, 50# under limit
10.763 @ 125.12 pass 3280#
10.995 @ 123.39 pass 3280#
10.943 @ 125.74 pass 3275#
10.891 @ 124.57 pass 3265#
10.865 @ 123.14 pass 3270#

Brent G, Brenteb02 car# 418
10.71 @ 127.8 pass 3225#, 25# under limit
no ET _____________ 3260#
10.815 @ 126.70 pass 3250#
10.844 @ 127.24 pass 3250#
10.808 @ 127.39 pass 3260#
10.730 @ 127.99 pass 3255#
10.987 @ 121.31 pass no weight recorded
10.861 @ 127.18 pass 3255#
11.49 @ 94.42 pass 3270#
10.850 @ 126.65 pass 3250#
10.825 @ 127.34 pass 3250#
11.034 @ 119.68 pass 3250#
10.861 @ 127.72 pass no weight recorded
10.820 @ 125.09 pass 3255#



Julio

JBsC5

Don't take this as a flame ..but honestly I would have suggested that the cartek car run at the same weight as the other car so then all things would have been equal and the best ET's would have prevailed. (should have just dropped the exhaust on the car and run no exhaust or pulled gas.. for one or two of the 30 runs...)

I'm not biased..so no flames to me about this or that..blah..blah ..blah..

Just reading this and suggesting thats what I would have done just to see if the weight issue was a factor for that particular day of racing..

Either way..both J rod and Brent with their very fast cars did great.

JB

JBsC5

BTW..hindsights 20/20

Magnus

iTrader: (4)

Thanks for the info Julio..

So it looks on average that the cartek car was out MPH'ing the LG car.

Anyone have speculations as to why? I don't know either car well enough to guess. How different where the cams run in both cars?

LG Motorsports

Julio,

I will say again, In j-rods defense, that the operators of the scales only figured out after the first few runs, that they had to zero the scales for each and every car that ran over the scales. Julio, you know this.

He also knows that J-rod sat around for most of the day and waited until Brent used up his car making run after run totaling around 28 runs. J-rod knew for 6 hours that his run was on weight, and legal, so he just waited to see what transpired.

Here is another rule that Julio made: "If you are under weight, you will NOT get a time slip". That was announced in the drivers meeting. So when j-rod went over the scales and got a time slip and the scale operator said "go around and run again, we are having trouble with the scales", J-rod did so, and weighed 3280. This was when his time slip was lost also.

It is pathetic that you are trying to take a caculated voctory under your changing rules away from J-Rod. You should not be proud of this. You know as well as everyone here that you are trying to use this because you cannot come up with anything else.

Your cold weather 10.52 run in -2500 DA has now been put in perspective to all the southern racers who had a hard time believing that the good air could make so much difference in 1/4 mile times. You have a good but NOT above average cam and head package that is right in line with many other warm weather southern tuners.

Get over it. J-rod won. And if he thought that it was the best out of 28 runs, maybe he would have run as many runs as Brent. 28 trys to make a good run is enough time to hit a good lick for anyone.


As for J-Rods Trap speeds? I have been telling J-Rod, for some time, to lower is nose. He has stock ride height and taller than average skinnys, so his car goes nose up at the end of the 1/4 mile.
Compare the 1/8th mile speeds where the aero doesn't have as much effect, and you will see J-Rod had the FASTEST speed at 101.88 mph.

I will close by saying that you have a excellent package. But you have a mental problem. You have the attitude that makes you look silly when you and all your crew brag so much that you annoy most who listen to you. Now you are willing to bend the rules in front of the world to pretend that you won an insignificant race.

At a real race, the participant would have been rolled around immediately to re-weigh. But based upon your scale operator statement, he was told to just go run and was given his time silp. Which by your own rules said that his run would stand. This was not a mistake by your scale operator, it was based upon his knowledge that the scales were 50 years old and unreliable.

Therefore there was no reason for J-rod to think his run didn't count, until 6 hours later when you saw it as the only way you could fool yourself into thinking that you won.

On the Corvette forum your crew said that, "J-Rod would need a super charger to beat Brent"...Well I Guess not.

Greatness can not be proclaimed! It must be earned.


Lou Gigliotti
LG Motorsports

Congratulations to:
"J-Rod, Winner of the Clash of the Titans in SC"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Street Racer

iTrader: (65)

Juilo , Are you guys coming down to BMP in April I would love to see you and Lee "FearTheLS1" run that would be a awsome race

LittleBoyBlu99

The scales were off and RaCERS AND TUNERS AT THE race said the scales was giving different readings on each pass and no changes to the cars. J-Rod can give his side of it.

LIL SS

iTrader: (9)

Based on the info given, for those that want to be technical, on average for ALL the passes, J-Rod had the best average ET and MPH based on ALL the runs made

JROD Average 10.885 ET / 124.6683 mph
Brent Average 10.91042 / 123.2258
----------------------------------------
---------------- .05542 / 1.4625



Now Average based on the best 5 passes (Best ET's and Best MPH):

JROD averaged 10.827 / 124.998
Brent average 10.7996 / 127.536
-----------------------------------
--------------- .0274 / 2.538



Average weights
JROD 3261.66 (High 3280 / Low 3200) 80lb variance
Brent 3252.5 (High 3270 / Low 3225) 45lb variance





Now for my questions..

How is it Brents car at exactly 3250 5 times out of 12 and with in 10lbs, 10 of the 12 passes with what others are calling a shitty scale?? Some people varying 30lbs between each run with no other change?

Jrod only had 2 weightings exactly the same, 3280lbs. None of the rest were same weight.. Hmmmm

Why did J-rods car vary more in weight (35 more pounds to be exact) when Brents car raced more?? Hmmmmm

Why were there 2 passes with no recorded weight on Brents car?

What were the 60 foots?

SFVetteman

Over on the forum, J-Rod posted the timeslips he says he has except of course the one from the second run that somehow disappeared. J-Rod didn't list a 10.763 @ 125.12 pass but he did list a 10.735 @ 124.70 and a 10.812 @ 123.97.

Also, Brent says that he made 28 runs in total.

CHRISPY

The mph difference is indeed likely from one car's nose being lowered versus the others. We have seen a couple of mph from that as well.

Wasn't Brents car also running a brand new higher hp package from his previous mineshaft 10.5 run at ATCO? I might be confused on that though.

I am surprised to see NOT ONE single post from Brent.

ITSovr4U

J-Rod,
Looks like you and LG turned CARTEK into CRYTEK.

Tekhombre

You know what LG, your the one that is pathetic, heck you weren't even there, if you were you would know that Dave was the one that spoke at the drivers meeting and that J-rod hadn't won. It's always the same story with you, blah blah blah, crying about Jersey weather like you don't have similar weather during the winter in your area of Texas, just go to the weather channel, it‘s only a few clicks away.
Were is the 1/4 mph for that car? Same day, same track, SAME WEIGHT, no exhaust, race gas and a top fuel certified cam, still 1 tenth and 2-3 mph slower than Brent. All this BS was started by you when you posted that J-rod won the event while we were still racing! Now that's pathetic.

Let's assume that the scale has a 5% accuracy at full scale reading (< 162.5# or +/- 81.25#), the repeatability of the scale would be about 5% of the difference between the compared weights. So if your vehicle weighs 3350# and you take off 100# the scale will read (3350# -(100# +/- 2.5#))= 3247.5# to 3252.5# if you round this off to the 5# increments the scale reads it would be 3245# to 3255# or 95# to 105# less on a true weight reduction of 100#.
Like the dyno, flow bench, we are looking for a comparison of all participating cars so that they are all within a few pounds and the be able to compete in a level playing field. We may have all been racing at 3100# but we were all within a few pounds from each other.

Jared C, J-Rod car# 420
10.673 @ 126.17 pass 3200#, 50# under limit
10.763 @ 125.12 pass 3280# ]
10.995 @ 123.39 pass 3280# ]
10.943 @ 125.74 pass 3275# ] +/- 7.5 pounds the entire day
10.891 @ 124.57 pass 3265# ] with different fuel loads for J-rod.
10.865 @ 123.14 pass 3270# ]

Brent G, Brenteb02 car# 418
10.71 @ 127.8 pass 3225#, 25# under limit
no ET _____________ 3260#___________]
10.815 @ 126.70 pass 3250#___________]
10.844 @ 127.24 pass 3250#___________]
10.808 @ 127.39 pass 3260#___________]
10.730 @ 127.99 pass 3255#___________] <-- Winning run
10.987 @ 121.31 pass no weight recorded ]
10.861 @ 127.18 pass 3255#___________]
11.49 @ 94.42 pass 3270#_____________] +/- 10 pounds the entire day
10.777 @ 127.03 pass 3250#___________] with different fuel loads for Brent.
10.850 @ 126.65 pass 3250#___________]
10.825 @ 127.34 pass 3250#___________]
11.034 @ 119.68 pass 3250#___________]
10.861 @ 127.72 pass no weight recorded ]
10.820 @ 125.09 pass 3255#___________]

The rules clearly stated that the minimum weight for this class was 3,250# and Brent had his winning run within the first 6 passes even though the rules said nothing about not being able to run more than 6 runs.
(3 - gun) looked like he was about to have a hart attack (we learned later it was Texas drama) and we even offered to have a heads up race and forget the previous runs (JUST TO ACCOMODATE HIM)!, but he refused and kept having his hart attack.

Julio

Tekhombre

Ahhh, the usual jab from Chris ARE 360,

1- Brent has posted
2- A couple of miles an hour from an allready low Z-06 ??
3- Is that an excuse I hear? What happened to race what you brung?

By the way Chris, you forgot to mention that lowering the car 1-2 inches gives you a couple of miles per hour on this thread you responded to.

https://ls1tech.com/forums/drag-racing-tech/142402-what-would-show-most-gains-track.html

This is rediculus.

onfire

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Tek, you didn't look up accuracy vs precision huh? Your example of 5% accuracy has nothing to do with the repeatability of the scale as you posted in your example. It's two different worlds in scale calibration.

BTW props to Chris ARE 360.

Tekhombre

Here we go again.

Jared C, J-Rod car# 420
10.673 @ 126.17 pass 3200#, 50# under limit
10.763 @ 125.12 pass 3280# ]
10.995 @ 123.39 pass 3280# ]
10.943 @ 125.74 pass 3275# ] +/- 7.5 pounds the entire day
10.891 @ 124.57 pass 3265# ] with different fuel loads for J-rod.
10.865 @ 123.14 pass 3270# ]

Brent G, Brenteb02 car# 418
10.71 @ 127.8 pass 3225#, 25# under limit
no ET _____________ 3260#___________]
10.815 @ 126.70 pass 3250#___________]
10.844 @ 127.24 pass 3250#___________]
10.808 @ 127.39 pass 3260#___________]
10.730 @ 127.99 pass 3255#___________] <-- Winning run
10.987 @ 121.31 pass no weight recorded ]
10.861 @ 127.18 pass 3255#___________]
11.49 @ 94.42 pass 3270#_____________] +/- 10 pounds the entire day
10.777 @ 127.03 pass 3250#___________] with different fuel loads for Brent.
10.850 @ 126.65 pass 3250#___________]
10.825 @ 127.34 pass 3250#___________]
11.034 @ 119.68 pass 3250#___________]
10.861 @ 127.72 pass no weight recorded ]
10.820 @ 125.09 pass 3255#___________]


J-rod was +/- 7.5# and Brent was +/- 10# ALL DAY. Why have a scale at any event then?

DavidBusch

Nick it was great racing you. I don't understand here is your weight.

Tom K, AP Enginnering car# 304
10.980 @ 123.5 pass 3360#
9.293 @ 148.85 pass 3350#
9.205 @ 147.04 pass 3350#

LIL SS

iTrader: (9)

Julio,
Was J-rods first pass weigh in before the scale operator new he had to clear the scale each time? Seems like it was. From this post that you brought over from Corvette forum, J-rod added 0 weight to the car after the first pass.

So, after that, I went to scale the car. Brent was behind me. The digital readout faces away from the driver. So, I asked Brent to check my weight. The car showed to be 3175. I then checked Brent's car for him, and he was at 3260. I went to our pit area, and loaded some ballast into the car. This time, I took JW02 with me. JW stood outside the car, zeroed the scale, and I scaled the car. We set the ballast of the car at ~ 3270.

I then drove the car over to our pit and waited for the event to commence. The weather was not working in our favor. DA was on its way up, so I figured that I better go cut a number right off the bat. So, as soon as the lanes were open, I made a pass.

I came to the scale, and there was a line of cars, around 4 or 5. Two of the fellows from Cartek were running the scale. When my car scaled, they said you're light, the car shows to be 3200 lbs. I told the guy, that can't be right, I just cheked my weight 5 or 10 minutes ago, and weighed 3270. I told him that I didn't want to have an issue with the weight, and that the scale had to be wrong. He said to me that the scale was not reading very accurately, and said flat out he thought the scale was a pile of junk. He told me to go make another pass, and he'd rescale the car. If it read correctly, then he wouldn't worry about the weight. So, I went back through, made another pass. On the first pass, they lined me up on the scale. On the second time before I pulled on the scale I made them zero the scale, then I spotted myself on the scale. All of the sudden my weight jumped to 3280. But, on this pass, somehow my timeslip was some how lost. No one seemed to be able to find it, , and I was directed to go to the timing stand to get a new one. Now, what happened in the 5 feet between the slip printer and my car, I have no idea. But, I don't have that run. So, I have no idea what he car ran on my 2nd pass.


I think deep down you know what happened and don't want to admit it.

RyanJ

So, to recap for 'tards like me.

J-Rod weighed in at 3175.
Added weight.
Weighed in at 3270.
J-Rod ran 10.67.
Weighed in at "3200" BUT He got his slip
J-Rod runs again (not adding any weight)
Weighed in HEAVIER at 3280 having done nothing to his car...but rec'd no timeslip this time??

LIL SS

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That sounds correct..

CHRISPY

I agree it was run what ya brung and I think Brent had a great performing car and did very well at the event.

I find it amusing that after all his smack talk that JRODs times were VERY VERY similar/better (even factoring in the scale nonsense)

What I don't like is the way the whole thing was handled.

The scales were noted by many to be off by a fairly substantial amount. You heard JRODS side of things, why not take the man at his word. He has proven himself to be honest on more than one occassion.

The rule changes and all the other smack talk left a bad taste in peoples mouths.

And yes even Z06 with a lowered front end will pick up mph.

The shootout resolved nothing and created a lot of controversy/bad press in the process. (Well it showed Brent's car runs similar to JRODS and other vendors HCI cars in same weather/track)

Chris