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Old Aug 28, 2011 | 09:25 PM
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Hey guys I am needing some help getting my car to launch better. I currently have
MWC fab 9" with 3.25 gears spool
MWC short torque arm set in the 2nd hole from the bottom -1 angle
MWC anti roll kit
Strange single's set at middle position
stock springs and of course lca, panhard bar, subframe connectors
TH400 w/vig 4000 stall (way to loose for the moment) and foot braking
28x11.50 16's hoosier qtp @ 10psi
Car weight is 3800ish
Car was cutting 1.5x and low 1.6x's. You can see the rear of the car raising a lot (i think) and can hear the slicks barking. Any thoughts?
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Old Aug 29, 2011 | 01:20 PM
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Jeez nobody eh?
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Old Aug 29, 2011 | 03:49 PM
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Push the LCAs up a hole on the rear end or drop the rear spring down an inch and test. You've got too much anti-squat %. You can see the weight transfer try to counter it after the hit, but it's too late as you're already on the converter, the rear end is already trying to push under the car and the LCA geometry issue has compounded. This wastes both energy that can be used for forward movement AND it's taking away weight transfer by over compensating. A.S. is good, just not in that much quantity.
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Old Aug 30, 2011 | 06:42 PM
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How do you drop the rear spring? Sorry if its a dumb question.
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Old Aug 30, 2011 | 09:46 PM
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it looks like you are bringing the the car up onto the converter with the foot brake action. what kinda rpms you holding it at on the line? I'd say have it at about 2000 and flash it. i agree with the above, and loading the front end by being on the converter is compounding the weight transfer problem. what kinda suspension stuff you have up front?
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Old Aug 30, 2011 | 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by gsxr1k2
How do you drop the rear spring? Sorry if its a dumb question.
by raising up the LCA's you effectively lower the rear of the car/shock. this is going to bring the weight to the rear and help squat
i guess the first question is do you have lca relocators?

I may have it backwards, my brain hurts right now lol
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it looks like you are bringing the the car up onto the converter with the foot brake action. what kinda rpms you holding it at on the line? I'd say have it at about 2000 and flash it. i agree with the above, and loading the front end by being on the converter is compounding the weight transfer problem. what kinda suspension stuff you have up front?
Foot braking to around 3700. Stock suspension up front.
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by raising up the LCA's you effectively lower the rear of the car/shock. this is going to bring the weight to the rear and help squat
i guess the first question is do you have lca relocators?

I may have it backwards, my brain hurts right now lol
Yes I do have 4 positions for my lca's.
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Old Aug 31, 2011 | 02:51 PM
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So what hole are your lower control arms set in?
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Old Aug 31, 2011 | 06:47 PM
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If you've got holes available to move up in the LCA brackets, just pop them up one set and test. The difference will be noticeable. In very basic terms, you're shooting for weight transfer to perfectly offset anti-squat when the car leaves (ie: weight transfer factored in). The lower the LCA is on the axle housing, the higher the AS. You're simply trying to push straight through the center of gravity of the car. Right now, you're pushing over it. That's all .
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Old Sep 1, 2011 | 09:49 AM
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You're not getting any weigh transfer and at 3800 lbs I'm not surprised.
What kind of power does the car make?
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yea move it up a hole and pull that front sway bar if it's still on there
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get a drag bar and stop stalling it up so high, I always had better luck bringing it up to about 1500 and "flashing" the converter.
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Old Sep 1, 2011 | 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Ego Killer
get a drag bar and stop stalling it up so high, I always had better luck bringing it up to about 1500 and "flashing" the converter.
On a turbo car???? I'm pretty sure he's footbraking it to build boost.
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Old Sep 2, 2011 | 06:57 AM
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Originally Posted by WheelsUp84z
On a turbo car???? I'm pretty sure he's footbraking it to build boost.
OK, I must have missed this was a turbo car in that case scratch what I said and get a transbreak
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Originally Posted by tektrans
You're not getting any weigh transfer and at 3800 lbs I'm not surprised.
What kind of power does the car make?
900ish. Never dynoed.
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^^^^ What Killer said!
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Lotta horses-nice.
When you footbrake, depending on how much rpm-you can preload that suspension, sometimes, depending on things, like vehicle weight, the car may not like it and transferring weight at the hit will suffer. Ever notice if you footbrake with enough rpms the rear of the car will start to raise up? You are already losing the battle before you break the beams.
I'm guessing you are footbraking to bring the rpms up cause its a turbo car but IMO that is uspetting your chassis. Couple of ideas-take them or leave them, I am no turbo expert.

You'll need to bring your rpms up more efficently-meaning no footbraking. 2 step-little nitrous maybe-whatever. Your car is too damn heavy to intefere with the suspension and chassis.

You need to get more stored energy up front. What's that mean? Means you need the lowest rated spring to maintain front ride height. You want that front spring cranked way up to nearly the top of the threads on the shocks so the coil is so tight it wants to flip your car over when you give it throttle.

Single adjustables are fine, you'll want to keep the fronts damn near zero to get the front end to pop up so you can keep the weight on the rear.

IMO you have way to much horsepower and too small of a tire and too much weight for a transbrake to fix your 60' issues.

Get a pair of Madman SYA bars. If you take my advice-you may well need them.
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Old Sep 4, 2011 | 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by tektrans
Lotta horses-nice.
When you footbrake, depending on how much rpm-you can preload that suspension, sometimes, depending on things, like vehicle weight, the car may not like it and transferring weight at the hit will suffer. Ever notice if you footbrake with enough rpms the rear of the car will start to raise up? You are already losing the battle before you break the beams.
I'm guessing you are footbraking to bring the rpms up cause its a turbo car but IMO that is uspetting your chassis. Couple of ideas-take them or leave them, I am no turbo expert.

You'll need to bring your rpms up more efficently-meaning no footbraking. 2 step-little nitrous maybe-whatever. Your car is too damn heavy to intefere with the suspension and chassis.

You need to get more stored energy up front. What's that mean? Means you need the lowest rated spring to maintain front ride height. You want that front spring cranked way up to nearly the top of the threads on the shocks so the coil is so tight it wants to flip your car over when you give it throttle.

Single adjustables are fine, you'll want to keep the fronts damn near zero to get the front end to pop up so you can keep the weight on the rear.

IMO you have way to much horsepower and too small of a tire and too much weight for a transbrake to fix your 60' issues.

Get a pair of Madman SYA bars. If you take my advice-you may well need them.
Ha ha. I've never come across madman's "save your ***" bars! Good idea for sure. Plans are to get a trans brake/2 step. My converter is way way to loose but i'm unsure how much to tighten it up because I know my 60' will suffer. Thanks everybody for the advise giving me a place to start looking.
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