Pepper runs a new BEST.
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Re: Pepper runs a new BEST. I can definitely see a raceweight of 3200 pounds for a Base Z-28. The TA's are heavy pigs LOL.
It is not hard to get 300+ pounds out of a car.
Kmember, A Arms, AC and PS = 100pounds
Lightweight Battery: 20 pounds
Lightweight pin on hood: 35 pounds
Carpet out of the car: 41 pounds
Pass airbag: 15 pounds
Foglights, EGR/AIR Cruise: 14 pounds
Pass seat, back seats and belts: 51 pounds
Under dash panels: 4 pounds
Jack/spare: 34 pounds
No catback: 50 pounds
TOTAL: 364 pounds out of the car without removing bumper supports front and rear.
That doesnt factor in the lighter converter, lighter weight of headers over the stock manifolds, lightweight drivers race seat OR Counting LIGHTWEIGHT DRAG WHEELS AND SLICKS: (Another 70 pounds total lighter for the wheels and slicks alone)
It is VERY easy to believe when you start with a car with a weight of 3380 pounds STOCK weight.
Add back in the weight of the cage (65 pounds) and you are right at 300 pounds out of the car.
3080 pounds without counting the weight reduction from the lighter converter, drivers race seat, headers, etc.
PLUS he has done some bolt shaving etc as well plus other **** I can't recall.
This isnt rocket science people... <img src="gr_grin.gif" border="0">
Chris
[ February 06, 2002: Message edited by: Chris ARE 360 ]</p>
It is not hard to get 300+ pounds out of a car.
Kmember, A Arms, AC and PS = 100pounds
Lightweight Battery: 20 pounds
Lightweight pin on hood: 35 pounds
Carpet out of the car: 41 pounds
Pass airbag: 15 pounds
Foglights, EGR/AIR Cruise: 14 pounds
Pass seat, back seats and belts: 51 pounds
Under dash panels: 4 pounds
Jack/spare: 34 pounds
No catback: 50 pounds
TOTAL: 364 pounds out of the car without removing bumper supports front and rear.
That doesnt factor in the lighter converter, lighter weight of headers over the stock manifolds, lightweight drivers race seat OR Counting LIGHTWEIGHT DRAG WHEELS AND SLICKS: (Another 70 pounds total lighter for the wheels and slicks alone)
It is VERY easy to believe when you start with a car with a weight of 3380 pounds STOCK weight.
Add back in the weight of the cage (65 pounds) and you are right at 300 pounds out of the car.
3080 pounds without counting the weight reduction from the lighter converter, drivers race seat, headers, etc.
PLUS he has done some bolt shaving etc as well plus other **** I can't recall.
This isnt rocket science people... <img src="gr_grin.gif" border="0">
Chris
[ February 06, 2002: Message edited by: Chris ARE 360 ]</p>
Re: Pepper runs a new BEST. [quote]Originally posted by Raughammer:
<strong>Thank you BOB!
Man, I am glad I did not purchase those Wal-mart straps. So i need 10000 pound straps. Four of them. And some axle straps for the rear. I'll try and find them in the A.M.
I sure dont want to lose the pepper off the trailer somewhere between here and San Antonio!
Again, thanks for the info.(sincerely)
John Campbell</strong><hr></blockquote>
John, If you have the PA racing K-frame and A-arms you'll need axle straps for the front too. Jegs has some real nice axle straps with a protective layer of fabric so the strap doesn't get cut. Check out page 116 in the Jegs catalog and there is everything you should need rachet tie downs and all.
I also criss cross the front straps. Its a LAW in PA to use 4-points for tie down. 2 front and 2 rear. Good luck and congrats.
Tom
<strong>Thank you BOB!
Man, I am glad I did not purchase those Wal-mart straps. So i need 10000 pound straps. Four of them. And some axle straps for the rear. I'll try and find them in the A.M.
I sure dont want to lose the pepper off the trailer somewhere between here and San Antonio!
Again, thanks for the info.(sincerely)
John Campbell</strong><hr></blockquote>
John, If you have the PA racing K-frame and A-arms you'll need axle straps for the front too. Jegs has some real nice axle straps with a protective layer of fabric so the strap doesn't get cut. Check out page 116 in the Jegs catalog and there is everything you should need rachet tie downs and all.
I also criss cross the front straps. Its a LAW in PA to use 4-points for tie down. 2 front and 2 rear. Good luck and congrats.
Tom
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Re: Pepper runs a new BEST. [quote]Originally posted by Chris ARE 360:
<strong>This isnt rocket science people... <img src="gr_grin.gif" border="0">
Chris
[ February 06, 2002: Message edited by: Chris ARE 360 ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
AMEN!
I find it MUCH harder to believe some of the ballooned out raceweights posted, than some of the lighter ones.
<strong>This isnt rocket science people... <img src="gr_grin.gif" border="0">
Chris
[ February 06, 2002: Message edited by: Chris ARE 360 ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
AMEN!
I find it MUCH harder to believe some of the ballooned out raceweights posted, than some of the lighter ones.
Re: Pepper runs a new BEST. What are you talking about? My 98 TA comes in at 3950# with me in it. If it was closer to 3200# I bet I'd run 10.60 instead of the 11.89 I run now. Can you guys put me on the top 50 list under 10.60 since that is what I would run if I took the weight off?
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Re: Pepper runs a new BEST. LOL Terry! <img src="gr_grin.gif" border="0">
Look at the base weights for Z-28 hardtops and Formula Hardtops. I cant help the fact that you bought a heavy TA pig <img src="gr_grin.gif" border="0"> <img src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" border="0">
Chris
Look at the base weights for Z-28 hardtops and Formula Hardtops. I cant help the fact that you bought a heavy TA pig <img src="gr_grin.gif" border="0"> <img src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" border="0">
Chris
Re: Pepper runs a new BEST. [quote]Originally posted by Chris ARE 360:
<strong>I can definitely see a raceweight of 3200 pounds for a Base Z-28. The TA's are heavy pigs LOL.
It is not hard to get 300+ pounds out of a car.
Kmember, A Arms, AC and PS = 100pounds
Lightweight Battery: 20 pounds
Lightweight pin on hood: 35 pounds
Carpet out of the car: 41 pounds
Pass airbag: 15 pounds
Foglights, EGR/AIR Cruise: 14 pounds
Pass seat, back seats and belts: 51 pounds
Under dash panels: 4 pounds
Jack/spare: 34 pounds
No catback: 50 pounds
TOTAL: 364 pounds out of the car without removing bumper supports front and rear.
That doesnt factor in the lighter converter, lighter weight of headers over the stock manifolds, lightweight drivers race seat OR Counting LIGHTWEIGHT DRAG WHEELS AND SLICKS: (Another 70 pounds total lighter for the wheels and slicks alone)
It is VERY easy to believe when you start with a car with a weight of 3380 pounds STOCK weight.
Add back in the weight of the cage (65 pounds) and you are right at 300 pounds out of the car.
3080 pounds without counting the weight reduction from the lighter converter, drivers race seat, headers, etc.
PLUS he has done some bolt shaving etc as well plus other **** I can't recall.
This isnt rocket science people... <img src="gr_grin.gif" border="0">
Chris
[ February 06, 2002: Message edited by: Chris ARE 360 ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
Nice summation of weight reduction.
<strong>I can definitely see a raceweight of 3200 pounds for a Base Z-28. The TA's are heavy pigs LOL.
It is not hard to get 300+ pounds out of a car.
Kmember, A Arms, AC and PS = 100pounds
Lightweight Battery: 20 pounds
Lightweight pin on hood: 35 pounds
Carpet out of the car: 41 pounds
Pass airbag: 15 pounds
Foglights, EGR/AIR Cruise: 14 pounds
Pass seat, back seats and belts: 51 pounds
Under dash panels: 4 pounds
Jack/spare: 34 pounds
No catback: 50 pounds
TOTAL: 364 pounds out of the car without removing bumper supports front and rear.
That doesnt factor in the lighter converter, lighter weight of headers over the stock manifolds, lightweight drivers race seat OR Counting LIGHTWEIGHT DRAG WHEELS AND SLICKS: (Another 70 pounds total lighter for the wheels and slicks alone)
It is VERY easy to believe when you start with a car with a weight of 3380 pounds STOCK weight.
Add back in the weight of the cage (65 pounds) and you are right at 300 pounds out of the car.
3080 pounds without counting the weight reduction from the lighter converter, drivers race seat, headers, etc.
PLUS he has done some bolt shaving etc as well plus other **** I can't recall.
This isnt rocket science people... <img src="gr_grin.gif" border="0">
Chris
[ February 06, 2002: Message edited by: Chris ARE 360 ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
Nice summation of weight reduction.
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Re: Pepper runs a new BEST. I don't see the problem with the weight. My 01 Formula weighs 3180 with me in it and I go 180-185 plus I had my helmet on. I have all interior minus seats(stock drivers seat) and console, power everything and full factory monsoon. Its not that big of a deal.We have 0 option cars that are 200lbs lighter to start with. All air bags, cruise, etc still function in mine. I even have a 40lb heavier 12 bolt. Let it go its not an issue. I wanna say congrats John. You set my internal stock goal that I had fun going for and now you have upped the ante for me with heads/cam. Good job! I just wish I had the benefit of total seal rings(much better than stockers), a better piston and balancing/blueprinting. Oh well, gonna give credit where its due and pray for good tuning,low D/A and VHT galore. You are very methodic on your approach to et reduction and it pays off. Again, Damn good job!
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Re: Pepper runs a new BEST. [quote]Originally posted by Bob Cosby:
<strong>Disbelief is the most sincere form of flattery. Enjoy it while it lasts.
Bob</strong><hr></blockquote>
I agree. John, your word is enough for me. <img src="gr_stretch.gif" border="0">
<strong>Disbelief is the most sincere form of flattery. Enjoy it while it lasts.
Bob</strong><hr></blockquote>
I agree. John, your word is enough for me. <img src="gr_stretch.gif" border="0">
Re: Pepper runs a new BEST. Terry u know what I find amusing?How u can praise John for a gutted 10 Sec ride and knock me for gutting my RA T/A for the same reason.....And for anyone else knocking people for gutting their cars I say,Its our cars we can do whatever we want to them.John,Keep at it buddy.Your car is BADASS!!!
Wait til u guys seee Bob2of3's car.I hear its REALLY GUTTED..2800 to 2900lbs.Hell with 360RWHP he'll run 10's.Does it take away from his accomplishments? Not in my book.The bottem line is who gets to the end 1st!!
I was inncorrect on the weight of a steel trailer.
I checked 3 companies.Anywhere from 2000 to 2700 for a 18X8.6...Aluminum is only 950 to 1200.MUCH easier to tow and NEVER rusts!!
Here's my new sig!!!
Terry get use to that site...
JS--------------------------- <img src="graemlins/formula.gif" border="0" alt="[Pontiac]" />
Terry--- <img src="graemlins/camaro.gif" border="0" alt="[Chevrolet]" />
Please take this pissin' match to email. Keep it off of here. It's getting old. -Colonel
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Wait til u guys seee Bob2of3's car.I hear its REALLY GUTTED..2800 to 2900lbs.Hell with 360RWHP he'll run 10's.Does it take away from his accomplishments? Not in my book.The bottem line is who gets to the end 1st!!
I was inncorrect on the weight of a steel trailer.
I checked 3 companies.Anywhere from 2000 to 2700 for a 18X8.6...Aluminum is only 950 to 1200.MUCH easier to tow and NEVER rusts!!
Here's my new sig!!!
Terry get use to that site...
JS--------------------------- <img src="graemlins/formula.gif" border="0" alt="[Pontiac]" />
Terry--- <img src="graemlins/camaro.gif" border="0" alt="[Chevrolet]" />
Please take this pissin' match to email. Keep it off of here. It's getting old. -Colonel
[ February 07, 2002: Message edited by: Colonel ]</p>
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Re: Pepper runs a new BEST. 1. C'mon guys. Ease off the personal attacks. It's my thread. Attack me if you have to but keep the attacks on other folks seperate. <img src="gr_stretch.gif" border="0">
2. Man there sure are some light cars out there. BTW, my car was 3320 minus the jack/spare when it was new. Seems I am not the only "lite car" out there. Some folks have big bucks they can spend on parts and motors.... other blue collar folks like me have to find other ways to go fast. I dont see why folks who use the lite weight route to go fast are any more illegitament then the folks with deep pockets. You use what you got. Some folks got money... some folks got wrenches. Some folk got both... I just wish I was in the "both" category. <img src="gr_grin.gif" border="0">
So I have lost about 300 pounds of stuff off the car. Maybe more if you add in what i added to the car. (cage, SFC's)
3. Steve, the rings I am using in the pepper are Total Seal gapless rings. Same as you...right?
4. Thanks for the kind words amigos. Some of y'all are very kind....again THANKS.
Campbell
2. Man there sure are some light cars out there. BTW, my car was 3320 minus the jack/spare when it was new. Seems I am not the only "lite car" out there. Some folks have big bucks they can spend on parts and motors.... other blue collar folks like me have to find other ways to go fast. I dont see why folks who use the lite weight route to go fast are any more illegitament then the folks with deep pockets. You use what you got. Some folks got money... some folks got wrenches. Some folk got both... I just wish I was in the "both" category. <img src="gr_grin.gif" border="0">
So I have lost about 300 pounds of stuff off the car. Maybe more if you add in what i added to the car. (cage, SFC's)
3. Steve, the rings I am using in the pepper are Total Seal gapless rings. Same as you...right?
4. Thanks for the kind words amigos. Some of y'all are very kind....again THANKS.
Campbell
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D(irecto)r Pepper
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Re: Pepper runs a new BEST. LOL, well stop by more often! <img src="gr_grin.gif" border="0">
I am going back to HRP in the morning (9 am)
I hope to get in a few runs before work. (1.30 pm)
Man I hope the weather stays cool.. but it is supposed to warm up a bit. (dang it)
JC
I am going back to HRP in the morning (9 am)
I hope to get in a few runs before work. (1.30 pm)
Man I hope the weather stays cool.. but it is supposed to warm up a bit. (dang it)
JC
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Re: Pepper runs a new BEST. I know I'm just a fuggin pooch in this kennel of dogs but.. The weigh I see it (pun intended) if the man wants to gut his car Great! He decided to do so and if I have to line up to him with my phat ***, and he wins Great. If someone wants to shoot nitrous to get fast great also, (I have chosen to do this.) If I go up against a very light car and loose it might make ME decide to take some weight off or add more nitrous. John (Hammer) is right some wrench (As I do) some pay others, some can't afford to buy so they take parts off to go faster. I have heard the same stuff about shooting nitrous "It isn't the same" My opinion here...It is all about HP to the ground! As long as the person does not try to deceive the other person. We all have our own goals with our own cars and most likely they won't line up with what others think we should do. I just use the information offered by ALL of you guys and try to apply it to my car to go as fast as I can make it go. I'll never be the fastest or the slowest but I'll have fun while I fly down the track. Just my 2 cents.
P.S.
I hope to see a lot of you down in Batton Rouge LA. on the 2nd of Nov. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
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P.S.
I hope to see a lot of you down in Batton Rouge LA. on the 2nd of Nov. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
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