T/A Fan Dan

OK I found an article on the new Mach 1. Am I missing something? It is just a 4.6 with stiffer suspension and a hood scoop. It would be cool if it had the blower, but it doesn't. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />

Bob Cosby

It is essentially a GT with the DOHC Cobra motor, a shaker scoop, and some stripes. It has a live axle vice the IRS (ala a GT), and can be had with either a 5 speed or an automatic.

To the best of my knowledge, there are no dyno numbers available, unlike the 03 Cobra, which many mags and shops have dyno'd. There were 3 of them at the Atlanta Fun Ford Weekend event...one of which went 12.97 @ 105 with only drag radials. If accurate, that's rather impressive, as Commerce is about 1200 ft above sea level, and the air that day was not good.

They are not due to be produced until the end of this year.

T/A Fan Dan

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Bob Cosby:
<strong>It is essentially a GT with the DOHC Cobra motor, a shaker scoop, and some stripes. It has a live axle vice the IRS (ala a GT), and can be had with either a 5 speed or an automatic.

To the best of my knowledge, there are no dyno numbers available, unlike the 03 Cobra, which many mags and shops have dyno'd. There were 3 of them at the Atlanta Fun Ford Weekend event...one of which went 12.97 @ 105 with only drag radials. If accurate, that's rather impressive, as Commerce is about 1200 ft above sea level, and the air that day was not good.

They are not due to be produced until the end of this year.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Thanks, it sounds like it has great potential. I posted over on corral.net this same question and nobody has answered me yet. Kinda funny I get my answer on an LS1 board.

Bob Cosby

A note about the Mach I....there will be fewer of those than Cobra's. Ford is supposed to make ~10,000 03 Cobra's, but only ~6,500 Mach I's. I have no clue why.

Nine Ball

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I don't expect close minded, "brand-washed", GM owners to like the new Cobra....but jeez, you have to see it's incredible potential. Even a fukin' idiot can recognize what this car can be capable of after a year or so.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Personally, I like the new Mach1 and the new Cobra. I think its great that Ford seems enthusiastic and is listening to the car nuts out here. A nice Cobra convertible (black) would be a decent cruiser/daily driver.

I'm pretty sure that a Corvette will be my next car purchase though <img border="0" alt="[pimp]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_pimp.gif" />

Also, how come you guys are saying that these new blown Cobras are going to be such badasses with minimal mods? Blown DOHC 4.6L Cobras are nothing new, and I'd rather have the Vortech than the Eaton. There are a TON of blown Cobras out there, and not a whole lot of them in the 11s in street trim. Maybe if Bob puts a kit on his Cobra we can see a REALLY sweet ET from a blown snake <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

Tony

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Nine Ball:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I don't expect close minded, "brand-washed", GM owners to like the new Cobra....but jeez, you have to see it's incredible potential. Even a fukin' idiot can recognize what this car can be capable of after a year or so.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Personally, I like the new Mach1 and the new Cobra. I think its great that Ford seems enthusiastic and is listening to the car nuts out here. A nice Cobra convertible (black) would be a decent cruiser/daily driver.

Also, how come you guys are saying that these new blown Cobras are going to be such badasses with minimal mods?.....There are a TON of blown Cobras out there, and not a whole lot of them in the 11s in street trim.
Tony</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yes....but how many of them have fully forged bottom ends allowing crazy boost? Only a select few....and those select few run some pretty damned good times.

Also the T-45 tranny was always a weak link for big power Cobra's. Finally Ford is putting a solid tranny that can hold up, as well as allow more aggressive gears (comfortably).

I know that there are lots of 11 sec. Lightnings out there with simple bolt-ons (Chip/Pulleys/Longtubes/suspension etc) based on that...I can only surmise that a Cobra weighing over 1,000 lbs less, will come DAMN close to 10's with similar mods. Hell, even if it comes up short and only manages low 11's...that's still not bad for "bolt-ons". <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

Nine Ball

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I thought the 96+ Cobras all had forged cranks? Do the new ones have forged cranks/rods/pistons? If so, that would be cool. Hopefully those stock parts are affordable and the 96-02 DOHC owners can use them in their motors.

The only Lightnings I've seen in the 11s around here have nitrous with their supercharger. I haven't seen too many of them last very long either. I'd be VERY happy to just run 12s in one, like yours.

I still think the Mercury Marauder with an S-Trim would be more my style. Pimpin' luxury with some subtle whoop-***. A 400+ rwhp Marauder would be just the ticket for whipping all the euro-sedans out there <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

Tony

Bob Cosby

Tbone...out of respect for the guys that run this site, I self-censored my original comment, and will simply stick to the issue at hand. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

We won't know for sure what a production Mach 1 will run till they actual get to the showroom, likely late this fall or even early this coming winter. However, one did run 12.97 with just tires. You're right though - it wasn't slicks, it was drag radials. 17" Nitto's to be exact. Here's a link. Blow it off as BS if you like...

http://www.stangnet.com/mach1/mach1run.html

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">no was the ford 4.6 is a weak *** motor, it need to be blowen to make any kind of power. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I agree, not only is my car very slow and underpowered, but so is Mike Tymenski's 2001 (9.5's in N/A form), Dave King's 97 (9.0 with 4.6L and a blower), Joe Stewart's 98 (8.7's in SSO trim with a blown 4.6), and John Mihovitz race car (way, way down in the 7's). And oh ya, this guy named Granitelli had a rather fast 4.6, too.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">think about it 390 flywhp the new corbas come with </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">correction: 360-370 RWHP. You have heard of engines being underrated, haven't you? Or do all LS1's only have 305-320 flywhp?

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">395 RWhp ls1 with cam headers and some boltons</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Some are over 400 RWHP. Most impressive (this is what I would have done, had I of kept my old 99 T/A). So what?

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">yha add the new pully so you will see 430 flywhp from the corba,,,, but remeber its a fly wheel dyno for the corba</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">See above. The car is around 410-420 flywheel as delivered.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">you see i dont see how a corba will run 11s or mid 12s ??????? </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I have no problems believing that you don't see how it can happen. I suggest pulling your head out of the sand, and when the 03 Cobra's hit the streets, go watch em run at the track with a competent driver behind the wheel.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">ford is bad real bad </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Of course.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">and i like the new mustangs i think they look good but i wouldnt buy one, </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Then don't. Easy solution.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">that why i would go with a used f body and put 6 grand in to it and have a BETTER, FASTER, car if you want to think about it that way
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Ah yes. Only a matter of time before the ricer argument "but I could buy a used blah blah blah and run blah blah blah for xxxxx thousands of dollars cheaper" came into play. Don't some Mustang guys get called out when they try and use an LX Coupe in the same sort of way when being compared to an LS1 F-body?

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">one question does any one have a super charged ls1 whats your rwhp??????? </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Several folks have em - none came from the factory that way. Nor did any come from the factory with forged pistons, manley H-beam rods, or a fuel system that could handle the extra power. Which leads to the inevitable question: what's your point?

Tony....

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I thought the 96+ Cobras all had forged cranks? </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Correct.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Do the new ones have forged cranks/rods/pistons?</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yes.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hopefully those stock parts are affordable and the 96-02 DOHC owners can use them in their motors.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Don't know the answer to that one. There are lots of internal parts available now for the 4.6...however..it still not a cheap or easy motor to work on (DOHC design being the culprit).

Bob Cosby

I'm sorry...I forgot something.

/me dons Magazine-racer hat.

Speaking of Car and Driver....I took it upon myself to go look up what C&D says an LS1 F-body should run. Why? To compare to what they say a 03 Cobra should run (per Tbones diatribe).

Nothing real new, I'm afraid, but here is what I found:

1998 T/A: 13.9 sec @ 104 mph

1998 Camaro Z28: 13.8 @ 104 mph

1999 SS: 13.5 sec @ 107 mph

2000 Firehawk: 13.6 sec @ 106 mph

Now, would you like to REALLY throw a stupid wrench into all this? Come on...you know you do...

01 Cobra: 13.5 seconds at 105 mph

Same magazine. Same testing procedures. Likely the same drivers. All times corrected to sea level, per C&D's testing methods. Now...what does magazine racing prove to us?

PewterZ28

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Y2kBlackbird, why do you need 3 new sports cars? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />

jleews6

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My friend has a 96 cobra and i must say when it was stock it was a turd.I think the best it ran was a 100 mph.in the 1/4 then we installed a off road x pipe,Strim,410 gears and the car made 467 rwhp. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" /> So this makes me think that the new cobras SHOULD be cappable of the same power levels.The thing that i dont get is why they went to the steel block one of my other friends has a stock aluminum and he has made over 880 rwhp with it and has never had a block fail.

Supertrapped

That was a good raping Bob. Some people you just have to punch it into their skulls for them to understand. <img border="0" alt="[fight]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_punch.gif" />

kman320

Bob is right. I'll only believe the times I see a car run with my own eyes at the track.

Bob Cosby

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Bob is right. I'll only believe the times I see a car run with my own eyes at the track. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well...I don't think I'd go quite that far. For instance, I have never seen a bone stock LS1 run 12.9, but I know it has happened. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

DrkPhx

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There's a 00 Lightning in our club that ran 12.8 @ 106mph with bolt-ons. That was with 360 rwhp. That same truck just dyno'd yesterday 415rwhp still all stock internals. Considering the curb weight of a Lightning is 4500-lbs, and the Cobra is somewhere in the 3600-lb range, low 12's are not only possible, but almost a certain (unless Ford screws up the hp).
There's also a 99 GT in the club with a Novi supercharger, 2 years ago it dyno's 376rwhp and ran a string of 12.04's @ 114mph. The only thing holding it from 11's was lack of traction. The car had and still has all stock internals. It's since dyno'd over 400rwhp, but hasn't been to the track yet.

We can be in denial all we want, but the new Cobra's will be fast, faster than our LS1's.
Like Bob pointed out basing your opinion on wine and cheese magazines that are known for soft 1/4 times is a joke. Wait until real owners start posting their ET's.

tbone4232

well i DONT belive that the MACH 1 Will pull a 12.9 with slicks????? no was the ford 4.6 is a weak *** motor, it need to be blowen to make any kind of power. think about it 390 flywhp the new corbas come with ,,, 395 RWhp ls1 with cam headers and some boltons,,,, and yha add the new pully so you will see 430 flywhp from the corba,,,, but remeber its a fly wheel dyno for the corba, the ls1 395 will be RWHP, you see i dont see how a corba will run 11s or mid 12s ??????? ford is bad real bad , and i like the new mustangs i think they look good but i wouldnt buy one, maybe in a few years but not as soon as they come out...part of me want it to be a good car but i get hat feling that if i was to get one i would be real dissapointed, that why i would go with a used f body and put 6 grand in to it and have a BETTER, FASTER, car if you want to think about it that way

one question does any one have a super charged ls1 whats your rwhp??????? and how much did you pay for it??? and how much did you pay for your car ,,, and whats your ET

Merlin

As much as I hate to admit it, these new Cobra's are gonna be kickin some ****. If Car and Driver ran a 12.9 in it, there are gonna be lots of upset LS1 owners at the drag strips, myself included, cause you can definately knock a chunk of time off of what those ******* ran it at. They are used to drivin SUV's and the like, it seems. I know I will have to be wearing my special racing underwear when I meet up with one.

Anyway, I am a very faithful GM owner and I am still more than impressed with my Z28 so I won't be giving up on those dumbass GM execs just yet. Ford guys hate it when I say this but I said it about the Lightnings and I will say it about these new Cobras, mainly because I can...I personally find the LS1 and LS6 engines to be more impressive and more of an accomplishment in design and technology because they do it in NA form and they do it with the "outdated" push-rod V8. Many people and magazines have eaten both of their feet over remarks and articles about this little powerplant because they said it was old and weak. The DOHC motors IMO do not live up to all the hype and glory they were given because they were the "new technology" and all that. Not that the new Cobra motor isn't also well-designed and awesome, but those are the reasons I find the LS1 to have more appeal and "soul", if you will allow me to use that one. Of course, I wouldn't gripe if GM decided to slap a little blower on an LS1 either <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

But like I said, these are just my opinions and just what would I do without my opinions? Drive rice of course. If you drive an American muscle-car, you're all right with me.

<small>[ June 03, 2002, 03:29 AM: Message edited by: Merlin ]</small>

WestSide

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So they supercharged a truck of theirs...now the cobras come with one too. 390HP with a blower isn't a number to be proud of considering a supercharger is on there. LS1's will lose to a lightning stock, yes, but consider the fact that it's NA vs. Supercharged. Anyways, I will give props to ford for making a stock 12 second car, but they could do a better job that in the 375-390 range with a supercharger... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

Matt
'98 Z

Bob Cosby

Hmmm....just curious...what would be a good HP range with a supercharger, fitted on a low-compression motor (to handle the boost)?

Ebbsnflows

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Bob Cosby:
<strong>Hmmm....just curious...what would be a good HP range with a supercharger, fitted on a low-compression motor (to handle the boost)?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Not to mention one that comes with a very SAFELY tuned 10:1 A/F ratio from the factory (as did my L').