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try being convertable running low 11's and no cage. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" />

joshs2000ss

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Yeah, and that decision and responsibility of taking that chance lies soley with the individual. Drivers who choose to race with no cage aren't further endangering anyone but themselves, so I think you should leave it up to them (us) as individuals to decide whether or not they (we) need to be taking our cars to the track. And by the way, who are you to say it WILL happen? I understand completely that no one is invincible and that it COULD happen, but I somehow don't think it WILL happen to everyone. Call me crazy.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">So I can assume that none of you that believe this statement have anyone else, ie. a family, friends, children, that would be affected by this?

2000SILVERTA

RRR will let you run all the way to 11.50. You should be fine.

Hallsville wont, so dont even go. They were strict the last time I went. I know it is hard to pass up a track that is downhill and always has a tailwind, but if you wanna waste your time and money, then go right ahead.

Hardtop

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I'm going to put a cage in my car this winter. I agree with everybody that says you should have one. Tonight will be the first runs with my new setup and the car or driver hasn't proven yet that its fast enough to need one. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> I think it will be though. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />

Bruce

Colonel

"So I can assume that none of you that believe this statement have anyone else, ie. a family, friends, children, that would be affected by this?"

Yeah, and I drink, smoke, and eat cute fuzzy animals too. My choice. ...Don't you have a tree to hug or a whale to save? <img border="0" alt="[jester]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_jest.gif" />

Tom the roofer

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<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">So I can assume that none of you that believe this statement have anyone else, ie. a family, friends, children, that would be affected by this?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I agree with your very mature and responsible statement. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

Tom

<small>[ October 18, 2002, 10:01 AM: Message edited by: Tom the roofer ]</small>

AFTICA

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Ebbsnflows:
<strong>Here's my problem w/ the 11.99 or faster Cage rule.....

A lightweight A-4 (A-3) car can run 11.99 w/ a trap speed of less than 112 mph, but he still needs a cage.....however, an M-6 car, w/ a bad driver and/or crappy tires can run 120+ mph and still only manage a 12.00, but he's perfectly safe?. Based on that logic, the NHRA rules are telling me that it's the ET (traction) that will kill me and not the speed?? Ummmm....ok. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> There is something fundamentally wrong w/ the ET determining the cage requirement.

Oh and let's not even get into IHRA rules.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">This is the best point here. MPH should be the determining factor, not ET.

IHRA says 11.49 & under needs a cage, NHRA says 11.99 & under. It would be interesting to see how many people running between 12.00 & 11.50 were injured or killed at IHRA tracks vs NHRA tracks.

joshs2000ss

I can see that the maturity level has gone down the drain here, so I digress. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

RAGEman

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by joshs2000ss:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Yeah, and that decision and responsibility of taking that chance lies soley with the individual. Drivers who choose to race with no cage aren't further endangering anyone but themselves, so I think you should leave it up to them (us) as individuals to decide whether or not they (we) need to be taking our cars to the track. And by the way, who are you to say it WILL happen? I understand completely that no one is invincible and that it COULD happen, but I somehow don't think it WILL happen to everyone. Call me crazy.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">So I can assume that none of you that believe this statement have anyone else, ie. a family, friends, children, that would be affected by this?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Why would you assume that from what I said? I didn't say "affected", I said "endangering". The fact is that the odds of a wreck happening are slim enough for me, personally, to take the chance, for a while at least. If I was concerned about a chance that slim, I wouldn't race at all out of the fear that something MIGHT happen.

99taws6

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Go to Silver Dollar Raceway.. Tech consists of pulling your car on the scales and handing the guy your filled out tech card.... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

I was running 12.5's before I was even asked if I have a helmet.. They are an NHRA track, so I am sure when a big event it there, they get strick.. I plan on running my 11 this weekend, so I hope they do not decide to get strict....

AFTICA

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Ken95Z28:
<strong>I agree with some of the statements here but the ET rule should stand.
Have you ever seen a 9-second pass and trapping only about 110mph? I have seen plenty of dragsters and pro-comp cars do this. True they have had problems going down the track, but hey still a good pass.

Point being is they had to draw the line somewhere. Our track even though it's IHRA sactioned still inforces the 11.99 rule.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I still disagree with the ET designation.For the example you've given the rule could read ~120 mph ANYWHERE THROUGHOUT the 1/4 mile.So if the 9 sec car backed off after the 1/8 mile point he still would've been clocked over 120 mph at the 1/8 mile mph light.

RAGEman

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by MARKSZ71:
<strong>just move to alabama colonel and the rest of us have no problems down here. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">See if you can find me a job down there, and you got it!!! Preferably one as a retired truck driver. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> And give me the low-down on apartments and rent and what not.

<img border="0" alt="[jester]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_jest.gif" />

RAGEman

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Lane:
<strong>Man, Ennis on SLP day was giving me a hard time for 12.0x's... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Now, THAT'S just gay.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by 99taws6:
<strong>Go to Silver Dollar Raceway.. Tech consists of pulling your car on the scales and handing the guy your filled out tech card.... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Tech isn't really what I'm worried about. They don't necessarily know what ET you run when you get teched in. It's the evil timeslip booth lady at HRP that I'm worried about. The one that has been known to grab aholt of your cage and make sure it's welded (or bolted) in solid and not just PVC pipe.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by AFTICA:
<strong>So if the 9 sec car backed off after the 1/8 mile point he still would've been clocked over 120 mph at the 1/8 mile mph light.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well...not necessarily. <img border="0" alt="[Fluffy]" title="" src="graemlins/fluffy.gif" />

Fast SS on TNT

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Made two passes at the local track. One was a 11.71 and the other 11.77. After the second one, the ET shack guy walked up, wiped the numbers off my window and told me to put it back on the trailer.
So I installed a 6pt cage and added more speed parts. Im good to go till my stroker motor is done. Wonder how many 9 second passes I will run before the same happens.
Rules are usually made to protect us. The rollbar rule is a good one. Like it or not.

Colonel

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by joshs2000ss:
<strong>I can see that the maturity level has gone down the drain here, so I digress. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Tehehe...I's jes pokin' a 'lil fun atcha! ...And I only eat the big ugly animals. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

JS12

geez guys i was just asking a little question lol <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[Camaro]" title="" src="graemlins/camaro.gif" />

<small>[ October 18, 2002, 02:53 PM: Message edited by: JS12 ]</small>

WeatherGuy

Here's a different twist on this:

I actually agree that if you are looking to get around the rules of a cage for running too fast (dodging the ET/trap speed issue), you probably have no business going to the track. Why?

Yes, it is up to you about how safe you are going to be with your own life. BUT, let's consider it from the track owner's point of view. If I were the owner of a track, how could I with a good conscience let people race at MY track if they were skipping rules designed to keep them from getting killed. And then on the pragmatic side (as has been pointed out), I would have to deal with a team of lawyers, dropped insurance coverage, and my own conscience. Thus, if you circumvent the rules at a track, you are doing more than making choices that affect only your own life.

For a comparison, who here, if you owned a sky-diving business, would let anyone jump from one of your planes without checking the harness, main and reserve chutes, etc?

I agree with the assertion that people should not always be protected from their own stupidity. We are actually fairly selective about what we choose to enforce in this country. For example, seat belt laws have been passed because the number of people killed annually on our highways has been atrocious, and is still way too high with about 45,000 people getting killed each year. To put that in persepctive, that is over 15 times the number of people killed in the WTC attacks. (note that this is just not sexy to the media since people are killed piecemeal instead of in large clusters). But does that justify seat belt laws, manadatory air bags, etc? That is your choice to debate. But don't expect a track owner to consider the analagous issues lightly given the points made above.

Incidentally, my father is a pathologist, and I got to see some of the autopsy photos of people killed in car accidents when I was little. Scary stuff. And then I get to go home every evening to a 5-year-old son who thinks I am the greatest thing in the world. Easy choice for me.

thechef

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by BADZ:
<strong>Cages = pvc pipe and a can of flat black... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">these are the ididots that get tracks closed

RAGEman

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I never said I disagreed with any rules, nor that I disapproved of the fact that people that run these tracks try and enforce these rules. It would be an easy decision for me as well, if I had the money for a cage. But, I don't just yet. No matter how horrible an accident would be for me and those who care about me, the odds that something would happen aren't great enough to prevent me from trying to get around it for a little while. Please understand that this does not mean I don't believe it could happen to me, because I know it could happen to anyone, including myself. But, fortunately, call me some GREAT, HUGE risk-taker if you like, the decision to go ahead and take the risk lies solely with me. I understand completely the track owners'/operators' insurers' points of view. They have to protect themselves by enforcing rules that protect their racers. But, let's face it: the odds are that nothing will happen. Please note again, I didn't say NOTHING WILL HAPPEN. I said the odds are that nothing will happen. I just don't want to see anyone say that I think I'm invincible, because then I would be forced to call that person a moron for not reading what I have printed in bold several times now. Come on, guys, if you are that worried about your safety, or your life for that matter, whether it be for your own sake, or your loved ones, why are you racing at all? Because you are a HUGE risk-taker, that's why!!! You may believe that my "risk-taking tolerance," if you will, is low enough that I am "stupid." But, I do not. And that's pretty much what it boils down to: how much risk you are willing to take. Just my humble little opinion.

WeatherGuy

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by RAGEman:
<strong> Come on, guys, if you are that worried about your safety, or your life for that matter, whether it be for your own sake, or your loved ones, why are you racing at all? Because you are a HUGE risk-taker, that's why!!! </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Guilty as charged. On that point you are completely correct. Or is it that I am a power freak . . . hmmmm . . . ex-power lifter, storm chaser, high HP car driver . . . . Or is it both <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />