Guido

How do you move the LCAs in anyway? Do you have to cut the mount off of the rear end and move it in and then fabricate something on the bottom of the car??

Im just curious is why I ask. Not trying to stir the pot.

SLED28

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All you do is move the LCA to the other side of the frame where it bolts in, and re-weld a factory bracket on the housing.

JoSeY

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by SLED28:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by JoSeY:
<strong>[QUOTE]Some of their suspension components HAVE been moved in/shortened whatever to allow for wider tires....</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Josey, we have never said our components are shortened! Our lower control ams are the only thing moved in and they are not shortened! Leave the 'speculation' for the donu shops <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

I could take any suspension piece, shock, springs, torque arm, lower control arm and Bolt it on to ANY F-body out there! We are only getting 1.37 or 1.39 60's with the car, we still need to tune it in... I would say raw-horsepower is definitly getting the car down the track <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I meant shortened as in the rear end (and if you haven't so be it...me and Brian are still scratching our heads as to the benefits of doing what you've done if you're still running a 10.5 tire) Sled...I've never dissed ya'll at all....hell I wished ya'll send me one of those purty Iron 360's to slap in my formula. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

But...I just got off the phone w/Brian and 8.7@156 is the new record for Stock suspended 4th gen now. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

java

let's compare apples to apples, this is no comparison between the MM and ARE setups. I have seen both cars and we have all read the about the build-ups, to me it is like a tube chassis / SBC Pro Stocker calling me out.

MADMAN

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What the **** are you talking about? Tube chassis?

Car is factory dash, factory interior, factory everything in the car. STOCK lower control arm mounting holes, STOCK shock mounts, STOCK spring locations.

Where's the tube chassis? 3204lb kickin' ARE ***!

The new name should be "where A.R.E. U"?????

JimmyKash

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by MADMAN:
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The new name should be "where A.R.E. U"?????</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[jester]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_jest.gif" />

MADMAN

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What's up Jimmy? How's it going upstairs? <img border="0" alt="[jester]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_jest.gif" />

Slow Z28

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by MADMAN:
<strong>
The new name should be "where A.R.E. U"?????</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">hahahaha, that's classic....

Chris

ONYXSS

Congrats to ARE for being the fastest LS1.

This IS an LS1 site, right????? There are other F-body sites that may tally the aftermarket cars a little better.

I'm real impressed with anyone running 8's, but egging on ARE into a race with their LS1 car is REDICULOUS!!

Once again, hats off to ARE.

Slow Z28

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by ONYXSS:
<strong>This IS an LS1 site, right????? There are other F-body sites that may tally the aftermarket cars a little better.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">not flaming at all.....

but where are those sites? a site for cars like MADMAN's, ROBS SS's, George Baxter's, etc... The 8-9 second street/race cars? I honestly want to know cause I will be needing their help this winter.

Chris

140mph traps here i come <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

BaddMood

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by z28kid98:
<strong>[QUOTE]
but where are those sites? a site for cars like MADMAN's, ROBS SS's, George Baxter's, etc... The 8-9 second street/race cars? I honestly want to know cause I will be needing their help this winter.
Chris
140mph traps here i come <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Try this place!
http://web.camaross.com/forums/

Slow Z28

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been there since Nov. '99 <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

just didn't know if there was a site that was for a more advanced racer type board. like how this site is for the more advanced than ls1.com is <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

Chris

java

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by MADMAN:
<strong>What the **** are you talking about? Tube chassis?

Car is factory dash, factory interior, factory everything in the car. STOCK lower control arm mounting holes, STOCK shock mounts, STOCK spring locations.

Where's the tube chassis? 3204lb kickin' ARE ***!

The new name should be "where A.R.E. U"?????</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">never said you had a tube chasis ... it is called an anology. As long as you like incompatable comparisons, let's line you up with the Pro Mod that wasn't allowed to run today ... would that have been a fair comparison? LOL, this is too funny. Like watching someone pour gasoline on themselves and then fumble for the lighter ... flick ... flick ... flick .... kabooooosh

<small>[ November 02, 2002, 11:01 PM: Message edited by: java ]</small>

Gangly

get an LS1 and beat ARE, then ill be impressed

JoSeY

This **** is alllll tooooo funny...have ya'll read this thread or have ya'll just grabbed hold of Wade's sac and started suckin??

1st. APPLES TO APPLES is BOTH motors make the same HP...1 is just plain and simply more reliable and not prone to start leaking coolant thru cracks in the cylinder walls.

2nd. APPLES TO APPLES both cars run a stock style suspension and that is what this thread was about...not who can build motors, but who can go the fastest on a stock style 4th gen suspension.

Now all of ya'll talkin bout "Get an LS1 and I'll be impressed" go tell Colonel that when he brings out his C5R monster...and about 1/2 a dozen others that simply like to go fast w/out having to worry about rebuilding their motors every other week. Untill the sleeving process is perfected (Which MTI/Thunder/ARE HAVE NOT ACCOMPLISHED) then what is wrong w/someone taking a motor that is reliable and putting it in a 4th gen body to test the limits of the chassis and suspension??

RAGEman

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by JoSeY:
<strong>This **** is alllll tooooo funny...have ya'll read this thread or have ya'll just grabbed hold of Wade's sac and started suckin??
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">No flame intended, but are you implying that you aren't sucking on anyone's sack?

JoSeY

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by RAGEman:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by JoSeY:
<strong>This **** is alllll tooooo funny...have ya'll read this thread or have ya'll just grabbed hold of Wade's sac and started suckin??
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">No flame intended, but are you implying that you aren't sucking on anyone's sack?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I'm not suckin anyones sac since I've worked on that car, designed pieces for Brian and have tested quite a bit of his parts. I'm merely taking a proactive approach on some of MY own work.

You work on Wades car any?? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

RAGEman

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by JoSeY:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by RAGEman:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by JoSeY:
<strong>This **** is alllll tooooo funny...have ya'll read this thread or have ya'll just grabbed hold of Wade's sac and started suckin??
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">No flame intended, but are you implying that you aren't sucking on anyone's sack?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I'm not suckin anyones sac since I've worked on that car, designed pieces for Brian and have tested quite a bit of his parts. I'm merely taking a proactive approach on some of MY own work.

You work on Wades car any?? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I don't see how the fact that you've worked on Brian's car means you aren't "sucking his sack." But, it's just whatever, man. I've never even seen Wade in person, nor his car, nor been anywhere near Canada even. Nor have I ever even received services or products or anything at all from ARE. Just taking a truly neutral position and assessing the situation we've got here. Merely disagreeing with your position on the subject doesn't make everyone who does so a "sack-sucker." Here's the situation as I see it...tell me where I'm wrong or where I've left anything out.

1) ARE becomes the first 4th generation F-Body with stock suspension in the 8's
2) Brian is slightly frustrated (and rightly so) because he knows the car he is building is just as fast, if not faster (which turns out to be the case for now) than Wade's car
3) Brian calls out ARE to a friendly race (I didn't see anything wrong with the way he handled himself BEFORE he surpassed Wade's ET/MPH today)
4) ARE says they'd like to race and will try to make the trip
5) During the week before the shootout, ARE clearly states they can't make the trip
6) Shootout - Brian beats Wade's previous ET/MPH (I don't think many doubted he could)
7) Brian (whether inebriated or sober) makes several arrogant, uncalled-for, and just plain rude comments about his inargueably awesome accomplishment
8) And now we're stuck with this debate

Does that cover it, or not?

JoSeY

If I was not someone up at the shop all the time and didn't get my hands dirty working up there and posted like I do then I would definatly be suckin some major sac...but I don't see how taking up for my own work and a close personal friend is sucking sac...that's my point.

About Brians "Harsh Lanquage" I'm still tryin to find it..."COME GETYA SUM"...that's harsh???? He NEVER was harsh to Wade and those guys..he went off on the other guys bashing him for not having an LS1...he's gone all over the country to race where he's been called out by Baxter and the likes of...why is it that he can't call ARE out to a race to see who's car can make it to the end of the track faster??????????

JimmyKash

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by RAGEman:
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7) Brian (whether inebriated or sober) makes several arrogant, uncalled-for, and just plain rude comments about his inargueably awesome accomplishment

Does that cover it, or not?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Brian was just being brian....you may think he is just being rude but brian is just having some fun. ARE knows it, i know, josey knows it, madman knows it, most of ls1tech doesn't

hence the arguement

bed time for me

i predict 5 pages by the time i wake up?
any takers? <img border="0" alt="[jester]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_jest.gif" />