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Is it the bumper assembly or the bumper support (foam) that folks are talking about? Seeing as the full front bumper assembly, foam and all, weighs in at a whopping 23 lbs, how much weight are you losing by removing the foam bumper support? Hmmm? Surely not enough to sit there pulling the nose off the car. And certainly not enough to make a bit of difference in the 1/4. That is unless you're looking to go an 11.425, lowering your 11.43 best. LOL
Chrissie Dear - the picture of the M&H muscle car drag STREET tire is the M&H G-60 I used to run on my TR and Mustang back in the late 80s and early 90s. You came across them in 2004. LOL When M&H introduced their new style of cheater slicks, more inline with what MT was offering with the ET Street, they renamed their old cheater slicks. Different name but still cheater slicks. If you don't believe me then go take a nice drive at highway speed with them in a down pour. I'll be anxiously watching the Parts For Sale section when you de-mod what's left of your car. LOL
Chrissie Dear - the picture of the M&H muscle car drag STREET tire is the M&H G-60 I used to run on my TR and Mustang back in the late 80s and early 90s. You came across them in 2004. LOL When M&H introduced their new style of cheater slicks, more inline with what MT was offering with the ET Street, they renamed their old cheater slicks. Different name but still cheater slicks. If you don't believe me then go take a nice drive at highway speed with them in a down pour. I'll be anxiously watching the Parts For Sale section when you de-mod what's left of your car. LOL
oh my cam could be ALOT bigger, don't worry about that there dingleberry o' love.
are you serious? you think you could whack me on the street? you have NO idea what you'd be getting yourself into son...don't be scared when my crew brings a garden sprayer full of VHT and a torch and prep that road better than an NHRA event. I'd put $1000 on the race and another $1000 on the fact that you wouldn't even be moving yet when my front wheels come back down on the ground. Don't get ignorant, I'd knock your dick clean off on the street all day long.
An 8 point bar won't do anything in an accident? I don't know how to even respond to that..oh wait yes I do..with a quick question, whats it like being able to see your last meal being processed due to having your head so far up your ***?
I shouldn't multiply...your PARENTS shouldn't have multiplied, I know this forum would be alot better off if they didn't.
are you serious? you think you could whack me on the street? you have NO idea what you'd be getting yourself into son...don't be scared when my crew brings a garden sprayer full of VHT and a torch and prep that road better than an NHRA event. I'd put $1000 on the race and another $1000 on the fact that you wouldn't even be moving yet when my front wheels come back down on the ground. Don't get ignorant, I'd knock your dick clean off on the street all day long.
An 8 point bar won't do anything in an accident? I don't know how to even respond to that..oh wait yes I do..with a quick question, whats it like being able to see your last meal being processed due to having your head so far up your ***?
I shouldn't multiply...your PARENTS shouldn't have multiplied, I know this forum would be alot better off if they didn't.
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Originally Posted by SilverSurfer
Is it the bumper assembly or the bumper support (foam) that folks are talking about? Seeing as the full front bumper assembly, foam and all, weighs in at a whopping 23 lbs, how much weight are you losing by removing the foam bumper support? Hmmm? Surely not enough to sit there pulling the nose off the car. And certainly not enough to make a bit of difference in the 1/4. That is unless you're looking to go an 11.425, lowering your 11.43 best. LOL
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I'm not worried my little klingon of happiness.
Wow a garden sprayer of VHT and a torch. LOL Come to NY sometime and see what street racing is all about hun. You can pop your clutch 10 times and if I don't move it's not a race. By the time your clutch is nice and hot you'll be seeing the tail lights of my 11.84 car. LOL It's only a race when both cars move. I'm sure I'll get the jump on ya girlfriend.
And then you'll miss a gear.
Chrissie - go check the weight reduction list and see how much the full front bumper assembly weighs. OK?
Wow a garden sprayer of VHT and a torch. LOL Come to NY sometime and see what street racing is all about hun. You can pop your clutch 10 times and if I don't move it's not a race. By the time your clutch is nice and hot you'll be seeing the tail lights of my 11.84 car. LOL It's only a race when both cars move. I'm sure I'll get the jump on ya girlfriend.
And then you'll miss a gear.Chrissie - go check the weight reduction list and see how much the full front bumper assembly weighs. OK?
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Originally Posted by SilverSurfer
Chrissie - go check the weight reduction list and see how much the full front bumper assembly weighs. OK?
Would you like me to take a picture of it for you?
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You could just get an FRC coupe and keep the A/C and the sway bar, and still be lighter. 
I'm sure if you wanted to lighten up an FRC/Z06 the way you F-Body guys do you'd end up mid 2900 lbs car or so. The car with everything and 1/8 tank is 3021. Take off the exhaust, put on some CCWs, etc... and you can get down to ~2990. Take off the A/C, take out one of the seats, swap to a C/F hood...
On the GN, I still have the steel stamped bumpers, we just took the 5mph crash bumpers and disected them with a plasma cutter. I have some all out race cars that don't have A/C, but here its too hot to have a regular street car without A/C. I have owned two cars without A/C, and I just don't do that at all anymore. When its 106 or 110 on the heat index outside trust me, no car is "cool" enough to not need A/C...
I'm sure if you wanted to lighten up an FRC/Z06 the way you F-Body guys do you'd end up mid 2900 lbs car or so. The car with everything and 1/8 tank is 3021. Take off the exhaust, put on some CCWs, etc... and you can get down to ~2990. Take off the A/C, take out one of the seats, swap to a C/F hood...
On the GN, I still have the steel stamped bumpers, we just took the 5mph crash bumpers and disected them with a plasma cutter. I have some all out race cars that don't have A/C, but here its too hot to have a regular street car without A/C. I have owned two cars without A/C, and I just don't do that at all anymore. When its 106 or 110 on the heat index outside trust me, no car is "cool" enough to not need A/C...
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Originally Posted by SilverSurfer
Sure and then take another picture of your car at the track doing a burnout. Just make sure your windows closed this time rookie. LOLOL
After the burnout the heater goes off and the windows go up. Drops IATs by up to 40 degrees.
It works, try it. You might even go 11.80
I HIGHLY doubt you know the first thing about a good street race. If you want you can pay me yet another 1000 and I will hold a class for you beforehand so you don't cry when I land all over that pile. My 1000 on the front tires coming down refers to the fact that I will sixty foot your junk so hard I'll suck your damned doorlocks out and bring them along for the ride with me through the 1320.
Yeah, I'm well aware, both cars break its a race..if you think YOU could EVER steal on me you are out of your already warped mind....and thinking I would sit there and get my clutch hot is just laughable..not that it does ever get hot since I have GOOD parts in my car..do you? Oh wait I forgot...11.80's at mid teens with heads/cam/converter is just flyin no matter what parts you're using LOL...
damnit i'm getting too annoyed at your damned horrible stupidity.
might have to lock this thread cuz of my own posts, oh oh
Yeah, I'm well aware, both cars break its a race..if you think YOU could EVER steal on me you are out of your already warped mind....and thinking I would sit there and get my clutch hot is just laughable..not that it does ever get hot since I have GOOD parts in my car..do you? Oh wait I forgot...11.80's at mid teens with heads/cam/converter is just flyin no matter what parts you're using LOL...
damnit i'm getting too annoyed at your damned horrible stupidity.
might have to lock this thread cuz of my own posts, oh oh
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"Have you even seen a LS1 bumper support off the car? Do you have any idea what you are talking about?"
Signs point to "no" and "no".
This whole "removing bumper supports is STUPID" thing is funny.
As for AC...well hey, I like it too. But some vehicles don't even come from the factory with it. So how can one say that you absolutely have to have AC for it to be a streetcar? Duuuuhr....
Signs point to "no" and "no".
This whole "removing bumper supports is STUPID" thing is funny.
As for AC...well hey, I like it too. But some vehicles don't even come from the factory with it. So how can one say that you absolutely have to have AC for it to be a streetcar? Duuuuhr....
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I do the same trick, except I run the A/C cause it turns both fans on and I rev the engine to about 1500 to keep the water pump spinning good with ASP. But it won't drop your IAT temps by 40 degrees. Not unless you're airconditioning the atmosphere somehow.
Casper - Here's a test for ya. Put the stock wheels back on and bring the weight back up to 3600 with you in the car. Next swap an A4 with a 3500 stall converter in there. Then take out the 4.10s and put in 3.42s. Then make some passes on 245 Nittos and voila........you're in the 11.8s at 115. Do the math bright boy or better yet try it for yourself. Ain't nothing special about what your car runs. The Colonel's 3550 lb street car would hand you an *** whoopin, on a DR.
Casper - Here's a test for ya. Put the stock wheels back on and bring the weight back up to 3600 with you in the car. Next swap an A4 with a 3500 stall converter in there. Then take out the 4.10s and put in 3.42s. Then make some passes on 245 Nittos and voila........you're in the 11.8s at 115. Do the math bright boy or better yet try it for yourself. Ain't nothing special about what your car runs. The Colonel's 3550 lb street car would hand you an *** whoopin, on a DR.
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Looking back on some other posts in this thread it seems that if I am confused about the whole bumper/bumper support thing, so were a couple of other folks that said they wouldn't drive on the street w/o one.
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Originally Posted by SilverSurfer
I do the same trick, except I run the A/C cause it turns both fans on and I rev the engine to about 1500 to keep the water pump spinning good with ASP. But it won't drop your IAT temps by 40 degrees. Not unless you're airconditioning the atmosphere somehow.
Are you running the AC on with hot air?
In a hard collision I dont think the bumper support will be the difference between life and death.
But
If you bump into something at 15mph you will destroy just about everything in front without it, if the support was there you most likely would crack the paint on the bumper and dent the foam. I would never say removing the support was stupid, people can do whatever they wish and I wouldnt tell anyone what to do but saying that removing the support and foam will make no difference in a front end crash is silly. That bumper support is a lot stronger then one might think, try this test: Take off your bumper cover and bumper support and lay them both on the ground - now take a 4x4 and run over each one and see which survives
BTW, my front support with the foam and all hardware weighed 18lbs.
You guys are funny
But
If you bump into something at 15mph you will destroy just about everything in front without it, if the support was there you most likely would crack the paint on the bumper and dent the foam. I would never say removing the support was stupid, people can do whatever they wish and I wouldnt tell anyone what to do but saying that removing the support and foam will make no difference in a front end crash is silly. That bumper support is a lot stronger then one might think, try this test: Take off your bumper cover and bumper support and lay them both on the ground - now take a 4x4 and run over each one and see which survives
BTW, my front support with the foam and all hardware weighed 18lbs.
You guys are funny
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Originally Posted by kp
In a hard collision I dont think the bumper support will be the difference between life and death.
But
If you bump into something at 15mph you will destroy just about everything in front without it, if the support was there you most likely would crack the paint on the bumper and dent the foam. I would never say removing the support was stupid, people can do whatever they wish and I wouldnt tell anyone what to do but saying that removing the support and foam will make no difference in a front end crash is silly. That bumper support is a lot stronger then one might think, try this test: Take off your bumper cover and bumper support and lay them both on the ground - now take a 4x4 and run over each one and see which survives
BTW, my front support with the foam and all hardware weighed 18lbs.
You guys are funny
But
If you bump into something at 15mph you will destroy just about everything in front without it, if the support was there you most likely would crack the paint on the bumper and dent the foam. I would never say removing the support was stupid, people can do whatever they wish and I wouldnt tell anyone what to do but saying that removing the support and foam will make no difference in a front end crash is silly. That bumper support is a lot stronger then one might think, try this test: Take off your bumper cover and bumper support and lay them both on the ground - now take a 4x4 and run over each one and see which survives
BTW, my front support with the foam and all hardware weighed 18lbs.
You guys are funny
low speed crashes will make a difference for sure...
Originally Posted by Chris ARE 385
I was saying it will not make a difference in a high speed crash. By removing it your car isnt suddenly a death trap
low speed crashes will make a difference for sure...
low speed crashes will make a difference for sure...
Originally Posted by SilverSurfer
Casper - Here's a test for ya. Put the stock wheels back on and bring the weight back up to 3600 with you in the car. Next swap an A4 with a 3500 stall converter in there. Then take out the 4.10s and put in 3.42s. Then make some passes on 245 Nittos and voila........you're in the 11.8s at 115. Do the math bright boy or better yet try it for yourself. Ain't nothing special about what your car runs. The Colonel's 3550 lb street car would hand you an *** whoopin, on a DR.
By chance to you watch Oprah? You should join the bookclub, I think her and Dr. Phil might have a few to help you out of denial.
sweet, bring up someone elses car who isn't even agreeing with a damned thing you are saying(like anyone does on this board EVER)..you so smart
