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Old 11-12-2007, 07:41 AM
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I have a blast shifting gears but it is getting old always slipping clutchs when trying to use nitrous. I have had great luck with the clutch's on motor but just a 125 shot or smaller kills spec 3's and 3+ clutchs that are rated to 850ft /lbs tq.

my car is heavy so I know that is what causes it.

I have a killer deal on a th350 but was thinking to maybe keep overdrive so when I want to go for a cruise it will be fine. My question is , How much quicker did some of you 6spd guys that could shift good get when you switched to a th350 and a high stall? I am thinking to go with a 4500 converter that is not going to blow through on the nitrous but run good on motor.

I dont expect to go much quicker on motor but on the nitrous it should be a blast. I went from a 11.49@119 with a 1.61 60 ft motor to a 11.11 @ 125.77 with the same 1.61 60 ft leaving off the line with the nitrous. I even left at 6000 rpms as the dry shot was spraying forward and then being sucked back in to the maf acting like a little delay.

I have since turned my jet to face the maf so it should not have this delay. On my 3rd run that night I got clutch slippage so I know my clutch is out the door soon.

Thanks for your help for those that do.
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well here is my opinion on this... if you are spraying nitrous 3800- 4000 stall is closer to where your power band is.. my TH 350 is a pain on the street.. but is alot more consitant at the track, that was the trade off for me..

i have manual valve body and spray through the shift points.. still have control with no clutch and never missed with my cheetah... the car launches harder and my 60 ft times went down. If the Th 350 goes my next tranny will be a powerglide but im not expecting that anytime soon.
Old 11-13-2007, 05:11 AM
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I went from an M6 to a th400, and one thing I can say is that had I not made the swap, I would have for sure wrecked at least one tranny and went thru 2 clutches this season for sure... proably broke the rear and a driveshaft or u-joint as well. 6 speed cars just break ****, alot of ****, and they break everything behind the crankshaft.

the th400, I have made about 35 passes this year, have one mroe trip to go to and the only thing I have done is change the fluid once. It's been consistant as hell, I have been able to go to the track on a few given days and run back to back runs within .01 of each other, so I dunno how much better it will get.

I'm running a loose n/a converter with 4.10's and on the street it's a blast around town, on the highway it's a little obnoxious, but not too bad as long as you don't have to go more then about 20 miles at once.

If you have a nitrous setup, with a 4000 converter and 3.73/28 inch tire, it's gonna probably drive a good bit better then what I have.

A 200r4 is a viable option IMO, the GN's have been running those tranny's into the 8's for years. If you're gonna get one of those, call century transmissions, he's the 200R4 king.
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i may do that . I talked to Performabuilt yesterday about the 200 r4 and he got me to thinking about a manual valve body 4l60e. I hate to give up overdrive but at the same time I dont really go far in the car and have a trailer for the longer trips. I have more fun in the car around town anyways. I am tired of gear noise and leaveing at 6000+ rpms in a 6 spd will never have a quiet rearend.

That is the number one reason I dont drive my car like I used to. If I go with a overdrive , I will give up a .1 or 2 but still be able to drive it but hate to give up a .1 much less 2.

I have heard the argument over and over that if I put an auto in my car that it will be quicker. I know this is true on the nitrous but on motor , I dont believe it unless I go big with the stall. any insight on this?
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Originally Posted by AINT SKEERED
I am tired of gear noise and leaveing at 6000+ rpms in a 6 spd will never have a quiet rearend.
cause you have a 12 bolt
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first off I don't care what rear you have, you sidestep the clutch at 6500 to get a killer 60 foot and the rear's gonna make noise. They've been trying to find one that will take that for 40 years of drag racing, none of them will.

If you get a converter around the 4400 range, n/a the car will rip, and it will work with nitrous, but you're not gonna be able to spray more then probably 150 to 200 on it because it's not gonna like it. You need to get a converter for nitrous that stalls at abotu 4400, n/a it still wont' srun like a 5000+= n/a converter but it will be o.k.

Thing with converter's you will never find one that is killer n/a and on the nitrous, it's just not possible. But, you will find a n/a converter that will take a 100 shot o.k., 150 maybe, and you will find a nitrous converter with a high enough stall so that it's not a pig on motor, but still not gonna be optimal. Ya really just need to decide, race the car on nitrous, or don't, and get a converter with that in mind.
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Originally Posted by AINT SKEERED
I have heard the argument over and over that if I put an auto in my car that it will be quicker. I know this is true on the nitrous but on motor , I dont believe it unless I go big with the stall. any insight on this?
on nitrous,

T-56 my best was 10.37 @ 134

TH350 my best was 10.21 @ 135

on motor, was slighly slower with the TH350.
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my old car i picked up .3 on motor going from 6spd to TH400 - that was w/ a 3500 stall, and not using the transbrake.

with my new car i decided whatever i do with it - it WILL have an overdrive!!!




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