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Old Nov 29, 2008 | 01:32 PM
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Car is a 98 TA M6 3.42 gears stock 10 bolt.

HKE 408
Probe Pistons
Stock 241 Heads Ported/Polished
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238/242 112+2 Custom Cam
Ls6 Intake
42lb injectors

Put down 440/435 on a dynojet.

Seems low for a 408.. any thoughts? Oh and rev limiter is 6600 they only brought it like 5800

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Old Nov 29, 2008 | 01:50 PM
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i saw 3 things in your 408 :

1- are your 241 heads realy flow good with high port velocity?

2- stock compression around 10:1 you should be 11:1 to 11.8:1 to make more power.

3- your cam is a little on the low side, it should be more like 244/248 to 248/254 or so.
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Old Nov 29, 2008 | 02:00 PM
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I agree with Zaccagnini, you need to at least port your 241s, bump your compression up to around 11:1, change the can, and you could also ditch the LS6 intake for a FAST setup.
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Old Nov 29, 2008 | 02:01 PM
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Did you have the 241 heads flowed?
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Old Nov 29, 2008 | 02:12 PM
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heads sheet...

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Old Nov 29, 2008 | 02:32 PM
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Yeah your heads and intake are holding you back. Probably mainly your intake and TB at present. Put the fast92/92 on and you should gain a good bit. Heads are probably 5-10% off the pace, but Im betting your intake and tb are the biggest bottle neck.
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Old Nov 29, 2008 | 04:13 PM
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what are you running for headers and exhaust?

1 3/4" or 1 7/8" or stock ?


IMO 241s are too small of a head for a 408. More like AFR 225s or larger
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Old Nov 29, 2008 | 04:35 PM
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what are you running for headers and exhaust?

1 3/4" or 1 7/8" or stock ?


IMO 241s are too small of a head for a 408. More like AFR 225s or larger
I would do Fast 9X/9X and 1 7/8 headers (if you don't already have them) first and see where that puts you. If your power is still not where it should be I would look at a nice set of heads!
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Old Nov 29, 2008 | 10:44 PM
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if the dyno operator stopped the pull at 5800 on purpose, they dont know what they are doing with these cars.

ls6 intake is holding you back no more than 25 rwhp based on that cam/compression
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i think fast 92/92=20-30 ,1 7/8 LT's=10,better heads 10-20,bigger cam 15-25

so anywhere to 50-80 more rwhp in that combo
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Old Nov 30, 2008 | 07:21 AM
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IMO The numbers are great for your mods still have a lot left on the table.

compresstion, heads, intake , TB , cam, headers, RPM and tune.

wih these mods 490+rwhp shouldnt be a problem.
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Old Nov 30, 2008 | 08:25 AM
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i have very similar cam, and tsp ls6 stage 2.5 heads, with a fast 90/90 #s in sig. I just got some arh 1/78" long tubes to get ready for bigger heads and cam after next season. buying things slowly. I should jump to over 500rwhp with better heads, cam, exhaust. YOu are right on track with what you have now. The power is there uncork it when you get the money.
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Originally Posted by Abdullah
i saw 3 things in your 408 :

1- are your 241 heads realy flow good with high port velocity?

2- stock compression around 10:1 you should be 11:1 to 11.8:1 to make more power.

3- your cam is a little on the low side, it should be more like 244/248 to 248/254 or so.
oh yeah, i forgot ditch the LS6 intake and add Fast 92/92 to the mods above.

btw Zaccagnini, your dyno numbers look good for the mods you have.

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Old Nov 30, 2008 | 09:41 AM
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Cool thanks for the help guys, going shopping!

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Old Nov 30, 2008 | 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by GMCHammer
I would do Fast 9X/9X and 1 7/8 headers (if you don't already have them) first and see where that puts you. If your power is still not where it should be I would look at a nice set of heads!
ABSOLUTELY Fast 9x/9x and 1 7/8s headers
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Old Nov 30, 2008 | 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by gator's 99TA
if the dyno operator stopped the pull at 5800 on purpose, they dont know what they are doing with these cars.


As they stated above gettin the right stuff and you'll be happy all the way

peace
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Old Dec 1, 2008 | 07:27 PM
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Get a set of Trickflows and a Ported Fast and hold on. Next time on the dyno rev that car out till hit bangs.
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Old Dec 1, 2008 | 09:36 PM
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need to lose those heads...
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Old Dec 1, 2008 | 10:41 PM
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A little bump in the compression (11:1 is a perfect mid point) by either changing head gaskets or swapping to a different cylinder head thats been milled would be a great starting point. I'd look into a "premium" set of cylinder heads if the money is available OR even a great "budget" head like TEA or ETP ported 243 castings if you're trying to save a little coin.

I'm sure that cam is just fine. There's no reason to try and stick a donkey dick cam in there. You'll just wind up being disappointed with the results. Also, there is NOTHING wrong with 1 3/4's on a 402/408 motor. Again, you'll go through all that hassle and spend all that time and money on nothing more than a "few" ponies upstairs and possibly negate all gains made by losing a **** load down low.


Heads and a little bump in compression. After that, see where you're at and then start considering the fast 90/90 or 92/92
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Old Dec 1, 2008 | 11:18 PM
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Thats about the same power my boost 402 was making pre turbos, 10.3:1 compression, stock Dart heads flow 300cfm, 236/242 cam, it made 451rwhp, so I put turbos on it and haven't looked back.

Those pistons must be dished? need more compression, cometic gaskets with tighter quench, depends on how those pistons setup, if they are at 0 deck, I would go with .040" gasket. Mill the heads down to 60cc.

and FAST intake

but pulls only went to 5800 or am I reading that wrong?

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