2011 5.0 Mustang Dyno
04-07-2010, 08:22 PM
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I believe the new engine (not really...I have been into my cobra and the bore spaceing, etc are very similar) is tweaked quite a bit in stock form. Another 50 hp or so and then it will be hard to get more. You will not be able to boost it much without changing pistons, comp ratio is high.
04-07-2010, 09:45 PM
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first off, curb weight is over 3600lbs on the GT, which when you add the driver, and a full tank of gas or whatever, your pushin 4k.
the SS is only about 300 lbs heavier but still has the ***** to make it as fast as the GT. so obviously the SS is more powerful.
who gives a **** about the solid axle besides drag racers? news flash, drag racers arent the only ones that buy cars! the only thing the GT has going for it is the engine. the car itself is hideous. ill take the 4000lb boat stuffed with an LS3 that has room for potential at a resonable cost rather than the back to the future concept ford is trying to pull with the new GT that has an already taxed out motor. (if not, an arm and a leg project to get half the power you can with an LS3 for half the cost.)
the SS is only about 300 lbs heavier but still has the ***** to make it as fast as the GT. so obviously the SS is more powerful.
who gives a **** about the solid axle besides drag racers? news flash, drag racers arent the only ones that buy cars! the only thing the GT has going for it is the engine. the car itself is hideous. ill take the 4000lb boat stuffed with an LS3 that has room for potential at a resonable cost rather than the back to the future concept ford is trying to pull with the new GT that has an already taxed out motor. (if not, an arm and a leg project to get half the power you can with an LS3 for half the cost.)
)This is a great point. I personally won't buy a new Camaro simply because of the fact that my G8 isn't really much heavier and has all the convenience of 4 doors.
As for the Mustang vs Camaro in the looks department, it's a rediculous argument. You'll find people who love and hate both cars. It's all personal preference. I've never heard anyone say, "I want that car, it weighs as much as a house."
As for the Mustang vs Camaro in the looks department, it's a rediculous argument. You'll find people who love and hate both cars. It's all personal preference. I've never heard anyone say, "I want that car, it weighs as much as a house."
Cammed Camaro 2010 are pushing 475rwhp, lets not forget that Ford stock platform is nice, but on the streets, it'll be tough competition!!
Another stupid point is the solid axle argument; the last gen was a total joke with the 10bolts and every damn auto journalist(I know we dont care on LS1tech about rag-mag, but general public does) was saying its the worst thing ever happened to any car with bumps and road comfort. Now that the IRS is here, nobody is telling of good it is for road comfort and ****...
Anything over the 10bolts is 100000x better.Its still impressive that the new Camaro thats riding on a totally new platform got out that good right from the start! It could have been way worst, like beeing as heavy as the Challenger and beeing in the 13.50@105-106mph range instead of a nice 13.00@110-111mph..You cant ask for corvette performance at Camaro price(well thay did it in 98-04 lol).
04-08-2010, 12:11 PM
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the g8 gxp is a 6sp ls3 and is the only fair comparison to the 5th gen SS and makes the same power. The g8 gt is comparable to the l99 rs, yes it makes less power, but is a nicer car imo... don't get me wrong I would take an irs because i dont go to the track often, but the solid axle the 11 gt offers is a nice option for the drag racers. I agree the 5th gen well probably respond to mods better than the 11 gt... but for the average person not lookin to mod a car, they are getting alot more car than ford previously offered on the gt platform. Wich was my whole point from the start. It;s nice to see ford trying to close the gap and step thier **** up with out using a blower to hang with gm's ls engines.
04-08-2010, 03:23 PM
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So let me get this straight, the new 2011 Mustang GT 5.0 is lighter, more powerful, better on gas and is cheaper...
I love GM but Jesus Christ, their making it pretty hard!
I love GM but Jesus Christ, their making it pretty hard!
04-08-2010, 05:13 PM
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Yeah I think edmunds pulled off a 12.7 @ 110+ (check youtube), pretty impressive considering that in 2005 they could only ran a 14 flat with a 6.0 GTO and even slower with the STi they tested it against
04-09-2010, 11:42 AM
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the g8 gxp is a 6sp ls3 and is the only fair comparison to the 5th gen SS and makes the same power. The g8 gt is comparable to the l99 rs, yes it makes less power, but is a nicer car imo... don't get me wrong I would take an irs because i dont go to the track often, but the solid axle the 11 gt offers is a nice option for the drag racers. I agree the 5th gen well probably respond to mods better than the 11 gt... but for the average person not lookin to mod a car, they are getting alot more car than ford previously offered on the gt platform. Wich was my whole point from the start. It;s nice to see ford trying to close the gap and step thier **** up with out using a blower to hang with gm's ls engines.
04-09-2010, 01:05 PM
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Lol funny seeing some of you guys (not all..) flip out over this. I do not believe the numbers from the video the OP posted but this new motor seems to be pretty badass. Its about time ford. Took you how many years to build a decent n/a motor? Now that you have, props from a hardcore die hard GM guy. Cant wait to see what happens with bolt ons and a tune. GM needs to get direct injection on these ls motors and they need to do it soon.
04-11-2010, 06:47 PM
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Whether the numbers are true or not, we know theyre making between 365-395 at the wheels and with 1.2 less liters.. Now im a GM guy all the way but that 5.0 has to be pretty strung out.. Im guessing if GM raises the power of the SS via more powerful cam, intake manifold, heads etc like the ls6 compares to the ls1, ford wont do the same but probably will offer a bigger cubed engine.. Im much more curious to see what that motor puts out with full bolt-ons compared to ours to see how well they developed all aspects of the intake/exhaust systems and how much is still left on the table..
04-11-2010, 08:45 PM
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They might get another 30whp out of it with tuning and bolt ons but thats where it will stop. Only option is forced induction or a small fortune in a cam swap. Might make more stock but they are limited to their complexity. OHV pushrod motors will always rule for HP per $. Thats why GM still uses them in most of their V8's.
04-11-2010, 09:40 PM
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They might get another 30whp out of it with tuning and bolt ons but thats where it will stop. Only option is forced induction or a small fortune in a cam swap. Might make more stock but they are limited to their complexity. OHV pushrod motors will always rule for HP per $. Thats why GM still uses them in most of their V8's.
, and I'm tired of the Ford fans saying that they made the same power with 1.2 less liters, Well they need to climb am expensive mountain for more power where we have a nice walk up a gentle incline with a tailwind.
04-12-2010, 11:28 AM
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They might get another 30whp out of it with tuning and bolt ons but thats where it will stop. Only option is forced induction or a small fortune in a cam swap. Might make more stock but they are limited to their complexity. OHV pushrod motors will always rule for HP per $. Thats why GM still uses them in most of their V8's.
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04-12-2010, 02:42 PM
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How do you guys not see this is as a good thing? It just gives GM incentive to give the 2011 Camaro more power.
Also, who cares what it does stock, how many of you leave any car stock? lol
Also, who cares what it does stock, how many of you leave any car stock? lol
