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Old Aug 3, 2011 | 01:49 AM
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What do you guys think? PRC 215s, MS4, Ported FAST 102, 102 tb, 85mm maf, 1 7/8 headers, ORY, cutout, Hooker Catback, slp underdrive pulley, M6, 4.10s, 10 bolt.
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Old Aug 3, 2011 | 02:05 AM
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You should take a better pic of the graph.

For what Ive seen of those heads the numbers seem on par.
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seems kinda low to me. trap speed will tell the tale
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seems low to me. I have almost the same setup except 227 heads and 92mm fast with 100mm MAF and made 480
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It's definitely low. The gears hurt a little, but it still seems low. I put down over 480whp. with a ported LS6 intake & TB, stock corvette mass air meter, PRC 215's, tsunami cam, LG headers, ORX, cat back, pulley, stock 3:42 gears, & a M6. It was also on a Dynojet. Of course, my car is a Z06 vette & it has a more efficient air intake set up. The tsunami cam is also a little larger than the MS3. What compression are you at? I'm at 11:4:1 with a 91 octane tune.
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Old Aug 3, 2011 | 07:23 PM
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Seems about 20hp low to me
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Old Aug 3, 2011 | 07:31 PM
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Torque and HP are about 30 too low IMO.
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Old Aug 3, 2011 | 07:45 PM
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Seem low to me when mine was cam only it made that hp and more trq with untouched stock heads (241 castings) who tuned it???
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Heintz racing tuned it but it was 98 degrees when they did. The heads are milled to 60cc so I'm guessin 10.8 to 1 or maybe 11 to 1 compression.
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Originally Posted by VandykeT/A
Heintz racing tuned it but it was 98 degrees when they did. The heads are milled to 60cc so I'm guessin 10.8 to 1 or maybe 11 to 1 compression.
Sounds like it should be right at 11:2:1 with 60cc. chambers.
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Just a touch over 11.1 compression with a stock GM MLS gasket. As Justin said, it was 98-99 degrees in the dyno room. AFR is around 12.8 across the board, which is where the car liked to be. Lean it out to 13.2 and it made a touch less power. Car would not accept any more timing than about 26-27 degrees. This is probably the worst time of year to be making big numbers with a NA car, I was pretty happy with the numbers actually for our dyno and the heat.

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Curves look good, but the low torque gives me the idea that the Dynojet weather station gave you a bad correction that day. Any car with 11.0:1 SCR and excellent components you have should make a minimum of 400lb ft of torque. I suspect yours is, but the DJ weather station probably did not correct appropriately for the hot muggy weather. Those weather stations are notorious for under reporting humidity especially which can really swing the numbers low.
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Did you get the throttle not opening situation fixed? I'd be interested in seeing what she makes at 100% throttle position
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Originally Posted by Patrick G
Curves look good, but the low torque gives me the idea that the Dynojet weather station gave you a bad correction that day. Any car with 11.0:1 SCR and excellent components you have should make a minimum of 400lb ft of torque. I suspect yours is, but the DJ weather station probably did not correct appropriately for the hot muggy weather. Those weather stations are notorious for under reporting humidity especially which can really swing the numbers low.
Agreed. That HP number is generally what we see with close to that same setup on our dyno. I too thought the torque should have been up a touch. I personally had a car with PRC Stage 2.5 5.3 heads about 5 years ago with a MS3 cam and FAST 90/90 combo. Made 440rwhp 395 rwtq back then on our same dyno.

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Originally Posted by Matt@Texas-Speed
Did you get the throttle not opening situation fixed? I'd be interested in seeing what she makes at 100% throttle position
Yeah, Justin had called me a few days ago and explained the pedal covers may have been keeping it from going WOT. I went and asked our tuner if he had noticed TPS on the log, and he said that he did not remember, but felt very strongly that it was WOT. Justin had told me that if you pushed the pedal hard, that it would go WOT, and when we have one on the dyno, John pushes the pedal hard. I had told Justin to swing back by the shop and we would throw it back on the dyno just to be sure.

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Agreed. That HP number is generally what we see with close to that same setup on our dyno. I too thought the torque should have been up a touch. I personally had a car with PRC Stage 2.5 5.3 heads about 5 years ago with a MS3 cam and FAST 90/90 combo. Made 440rwhp 395 rwtq back then on our same dyno.

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Just about every dyno test I have seen using PRC heads has shown that the 215's are about 15hp. better than the ported stock 5.3 or LS6 castings. So the numbers still seem a bit low. Pat G has a very good point about the weather station though. When I made over 480whp. the conditions were like a mineshaft. Cool, dry air with a very low D/A. That factor alone can make a big difference in power.
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Originally Posted by brianw401
Just about every dyno test I have seen using PRC heads has shown that the 215's are about 15hp. better than the ported stock 5.3 or LS6 castings. So the numbers still seem a bit low. Pat G has a very good point about the weather station though. When I made over 480whp. the conditions were like a mineshaft. Cool, dry air with a very low D/A. That factor alone can make a big difference in power.
Weather on a NA engine plays a pretty big factory on dynos. The owner of our shop has a NA LS2 402 that has made 570+ RWHP on our dyno back in the fall. I guarantee if we put it up on the dyno now it would not crack 550. Dynos are just a tuning tool. We can complain over dyno numbers all day, but the real story will be taking the car to the track.


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I dyno'd my car yesterday and was down roughly 10 hp from what it made a month ago. 98 degrees in the shop with 90% humidity

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Agreed on weather factoring in on dyno. I just had my car dyno'ed two days ago. Temps were 93 and humidity (according to DJ weather station) was 30%......in Florida. Florida doesn't see 30% humidity, lol. I "only" made 399whp on a fresh LQ4, 10.8:1 compression, 236/242 cam, 799 heads. However, last night I pulled 4-5 cars on a 425whp BMW 335i that traps 117mph here in the Florida heat. I'll be hitting the track next week.

Don't fret OP, dyno is a tuning tool. Your car is just fine!
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