Dynamometer Results & Comparisons Dyno Records | Dyno Discussion | Dyno Wars

4th gear dyno pull...lower numbers?

Old Sep 22, 2011 | 05:47 PM
  #1  
dankl's Avatar
Thread Starter
TECH Regular
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 449
Likes: 0
From: South FL
Default 4th gear dyno pull...lower numbers?

Hello,
Just wondering if anyone knows if doing a dyno pull from 4th gear would put up lower numbers?
I was told 3rd gear was the proper gear for the dyno, but mine was always done in 4th. I am not sure what to believe as only the gear ratio changes per gear, not engine power...right?
Your thoughts?

Thanks for your time!
Reply
Old Sep 22, 2011 | 06:15 PM
  #2  
dankl's Avatar
Thread Starter
TECH Regular
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 449
Likes: 0
From: South FL
Default

Also, pulls were done in 90* south Florida summer. Had a fan in front, but not much airflow. Dyno was also STD. Could that result in low power numbers?
Reply
Old Sep 22, 2011 | 07:25 PM
  #3  
ls1curt's Avatar
8 Second Club
iTrader: (31)
 
Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 1,206
Likes: 3
From: CT
Default

stick car?
Reply
Old Sep 23, 2011 | 10:43 AM
  #4  
redbird555's Avatar
TECH Veteran
iTrader: (14)
 
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 4,444
Likes: 9
From: Pompano Beach FL
Default

generally you want to get the tranny in the close 1:1 gear ratio you can to get a dyno reading and in a t56 4th it 1:1 so I;d say it was done in the correct gear. what are your mods and what did the car make
Reply
Old Sep 23, 2011 | 05:16 PM
  #5  
Deviant LS1's Avatar
TECH Apprentice
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 338
Likes: 0
From: Tampa
Default

3rd for a 4L60e and 4th for a T56. If you're dyno shows in STD then yes weather will effect numbers. If you change it to SAE it will show the "standard" that everyone goes by.
Reply
Old Jan 5, 2012 | 11:26 PM
  #6  
S8ER95Z's Avatar
12 Second Club
20 Year Member
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 1,465
Likes: 51
From: NC
Default

What's the end result if an M6 car is dynoed in 3rd instead of 4th? Skewed numbers?
Reply
Old Jan 6, 2012 | 12:01 AM
  #7  
JonCR96Z's Avatar
TECH Junkie
20 Year Member
Photogenic
iTrader: (33)
 
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 3,006
Likes: 19
From: Asheboro, NC
Default

I've seen cars gain nearly 10rwhp dynoing in 4th over 3rd.

The reason some people use 3rd is that it turns up much quicker, so you're not holding the motor WOT for as long of a time. The important thing to remember is that you use the same gear every time you dyno your car.
Reply
Old Jan 6, 2012 | 12:25 AM
  #8  
S8ER95Z's Avatar
12 Second Club
20 Year Member
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 1,465
Likes: 51
From: NC
Default

Thank you, it's always bothered me that my car was done in 3rd (on a dyno dynamics) but I was told it wouldn't matter. Some people claim my numbers were inflated due to the gear.

Made 324rwhp/341rwtrq with just FRA.
Reply
Old Jan 6, 2012 | 12:38 AM
  #9  
itsslow98's Avatar
TECH Senior Member
iTrader: (18)
 
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 6,762
Likes: 5
From: Maryland
Default

My brother made 8 less rwhp dynoing his 2011 5.0 in 4th as opposed to 5th(which is the 2011s 1:1 gear).

I dyno all my stuff in 6th just for the hell of it.


^jk
Reply
Old Jan 6, 2012 | 08:02 AM
  #10  
Slowhawk's Avatar
LS1Tech Sponsor
iTrader: (12)
 
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 14,865
Likes: 6
From: Bridgewater,Ma
Default

Originally Posted by S8ER95Z
What's the end result if an M6 car is dynoed in 3rd instead of 4th? Skewed numbers?
If a shop insists to dyno in 3rd gear on a M6 car it is obvious they have no idea about tuning or dynoing.

It will show lower #'s in 3rd.
Reply
Old Jan 6, 2012 | 10:05 AM
  #11  
quik95lt1's Avatar
9 Second Club
iTrader: (7)
 
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 4,464
Likes: 12
From: Rhode Island
Default

regardless of numbers the car should be dyno'd in 4th gear for means of accuracy ........in very fine tuned applications AFR should be also checked in a track/street application, acceleration rates of the engine differ from different gears and loads which can cause effective AFR's to vary slightly....just remember "dyno numbers" mean virtually nothing, a dyno is a TUNING tool. Comparing numbers from one dyno to the next has become more of an internet fad than a means for useful data.....too many variances in not only operators and steups but also maintainence and calibration of weather metering equipment that applies correction factors exsist from one dyno to the next to do this......you never see stories of proud men and their dyno's
Reply
Old Jan 6, 2012 | 11:41 AM
  #12  
Bill00Formula's Avatar
TECH Fanatic
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 1,066
Likes: 11
From: West Palm Beach, Fl
Default

Even the correction factors do not make up for the heat. Best to do it when it's in the 70s or cooler. But either way, you should get them corrected to SAE. I can't believe a dyno operator would not be familiar enough with these cars to not know which gear to use. Also, a car that has cooled off versus a hot car can make a significant difference as well.

Last edited by Bill00Formula; Jan 6, 2012 at 11:51 AM.
Reply
Old Jan 6, 2012 | 12:03 PM
  #13  
speed_demon24's Avatar
11 Second Club
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 4,609
Likes: 2
From: Ocala, FL
Default

Originally Posted by Deviant LS1
3rd for a 4L60e and 4th for a T56. If you're dyno shows in STD then yes weather will effect numbers. If you change it to SAE it will show the "standard" that everyone goes by.
STD is a correction factor just like SAE. It's generally the correction factor shops use to inflate numbers since it corrects to a higher # than SAE.
Reply
Old Jan 6, 2012 | 01:53 PM
  #14  
S8ER95Z's Avatar
12 Second Club
20 Year Member
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 1,465
Likes: 51
From: NC
Default

These were the results of mine... was always in the back of my mind. (No Smoothing on the graph.)
I'm going to get dyno tuned at Speed Inc in a month, so it won't matter I guess.



Reply
Old Jan 7, 2012 | 07:09 PM
  #15  
DynoDR's Avatar
TECH Apprentice
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 379
Likes: 0
Default

Like it that lean huh?

Originally Posted by S8ER95Z
These were the results of mine... was always in the back of my mind. (No Smoothing on the graph.)
I'm going to get dyno tuned at Speed Inc in a month, so it won't matter I guess.



Reply
Old Jan 7, 2012 | 08:10 PM
  #16  
S8ER95Z's Avatar
12 Second Club
20 Year Member
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 1,465
Likes: 51
From: NC
Default

That was stock tune and pretty low miles... not sure why it was like that to be honest. Car ran solid at the track even. Hoping the numbers don't look like that next time.
Reply
Old Jan 10, 2012 | 08:07 AM
  #17  
quik95lt1's Avatar
9 Second Club
iTrader: (7)
 
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 4,464
Likes: 12
From: Rhode Island
Default

if they used the sniffer that they just jam up the end of the exhaust pipe thats probably a false lean reading............
Reply
Old Jan 10, 2012 | 08:33 AM
  #18  
S8ER95Z's Avatar
12 Second Club
20 Year Member
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 1,465
Likes: 51
From: NC
Default

Thats what it was... can't imagine the car was running dangerously lean considering the beating it's taken in the years since I had it done. I could be wrong though.
Reply


Thread Tools
Search this Thread

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:31 PM.