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Old 06-25-2014, 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Pray
You can't seal the rocker bolts once ported. The rocker bolt protrudes into the runner quite a bit. As long as you use Loctite on it you are good. You could bolt the rockers down and go back at the bolt with the grinder if you wanted and then seal it somehow but you run the risk of that falling of into the intake runner during operation.

Just trying to get a comparison on what his heads flow vs. what mine did to compare dyno numbers. The SNS STG 2 cam is the little cam that could. I did a very slight variation to it for my particular combo.
I did not get any flow test data, i cc'd the ports and came up with about 215cc per intake port. i used a dab of black rtv to ensure the rocker bolts sealed well.
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215cc is a good port volume and cross section for a motor that operates from 2000-7000 such as this one.

Combination of good air speed, just enough cross section and valve area for a torque minded responsive combination.

Good work guys!
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Originally Posted by Martin@Tick
Very nice! It's our best seller for a reason!

There is more torque on the table from 2000-4500 and beyond if you want it. Here's the scoop on how to unlock that power.

Buy a 3" inlet, 4" outlet Flow Master Y merge. Have your nearest local exhaust shop that knows what they're doing cut your TSP Y merge off and weld this in place. Then purchase a 4" to 3" reducer to connect your 4" FM merge to your existing intermediate pipe and cat-back.

The merge and reducer won't cost you more than 65 dollars before shipping and the labor at the muffler shop shouldn't cost more than 1 hours time.

Not only will it improve scavenging at low/mid RPM's it will also pick up at peak HP as well. As a side bonus it will nearly eliminate the dreaded ORY rasp that occurs at low RPM as well.

We sell the merge and the reducer FWIW. Merge is 50 bucks and the reducer is 13 bucks.
Martin, what's the average gain on a heads cam car with the new merge. My exhaust still necks down to 2.75 on the y pipe and have been considering this my self.
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Originally Posted by 1 Slow WS6
Martin, what's the average gain on a heads cam car with the new merge. My exhaust still necks down to 2.75 on the y pipe and have been considering this my self.
I cant tell you the average gain, but its WELL worth it. It was my 1st modification and its supporting the SNS Torquemax AMAZING. The size difference is incredible going from the necked down 2.75 to the 4
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Originally Posted by DEVILDOGSS
I did not get any flow test data, i cc'd the ports and came up with about 215cc per intake port. i used a dab of black rtv to ensure the rocker bolts sealed well.
What did you use to CC the heads? 215cc is pretty small for a ported 243. I would think you took out more than 5cc's if you touched the runner at all. Your bowl work looks like mine but I can't see your SSR. Mine came in at 226cc and I barely touched the runner. What did you use to measure your gains or losses when you were porting? I can tell you how to make a really cheap "flow bench" for the garage that will really help your porting if you are just guessing right now. You mentioned in your first post that these won't be your last set of heads.
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thinking of getting this cam... the g5x3 in my sig is not torquey enough down low for my liking...

what compression are you running?
does your car have an m6 trans?
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You will need right around 11.0:1 SCR to get your DCR correct at 8.7-8.8.
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Originally Posted by airforcemanss
thinking of getting this cam... the g5x3 in my sig is not torquey enough down low for my liking...

what compression are you running?
does your car have an m6 trans?
How much torque does your combo make now?
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Martin, what's the average gain on a heads cam car with the new merge. My exhaust still necks down to 2.75 on the y pipe and have been considering this my self.
On average, 8-15rwtq and the same in HP across a large portion if not all of the operating range.

In conjunction with a 4" cut-out the gains can be even larger.
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Originally Posted by Martin@Tick
On average, 8-15rwtq and the same in HP across a large portion if not all of the operating range.

In conjunction with a 4" cut-out the gains can be even larger.
does it need to be re tuned to get the gains or will it compensate?
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Originally Posted by Martin@Tick
On average, 8-15rwtq and the same in HP across a large portion if not all of the operating range.

In conjunction with a 4" cut-out the gains can be even larger.
Now I have to do it for those gains.

Originally Posted by Goosecaddy05
does it need to be re tuned to get the gains or will it compensate?
I would guess no because it is after the o2's
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mustang dyno within 5% correction of a dynojet i believe... combo is in sig...
dyno with 4.10s gear, ls7 clutch, tt2's wrapped in toyo 315s clutch if that matters
CR: 11.6-.7 ???
DCR: forgot...don't know calculations

its more of a progressive powerband where it starts to pour on about 4300rpm which is too high for where i spend most of the time... looking for more grunt in this street car...something more instantaneous in the low/mid range... seems like 350rwtq at 3,000rpm from some of the other street combos i've been seeing is what i'm looking for.

something like the sns 2 is i'm considering
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My advice is to ditch the G5X3 and get the sns stage 2...If your vehicle is driving the majority of the time on the street, imo you are taking away 70% of the fun factor by having to spin it that high (4300rpm) just to feel the power surge..The great thing about the sns stage 2 is that your powerband surge will start UNDER 2,000 rpm and keep pulling all the way to 7,000 rpm...you will appreciate the powerband I promise you...and the power/dyno numbers will be a lot closer than you think between the two cams....









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Originally Posted by airforcemanss
mustang dyno within 5% correction of a dynojet i believe... combo is in sig...
dyno with 4.10s gear, ls7 clutch, tt2's wrapped in toyo 315s clutch if that matters
CR: 11.6-.7 ???
DCR: forgot...don't know calculations

its more of a progressive powerband where it starts to pour on about 4300rpm which is too high for where i spend most of the time... looking for more grunt in this street car...something more instantaneous in the low/mid range... seems like 350rwtq at 3,000rpm from some of the other street combos i've been seeing is what i'm looking for.

something like the sns 2 is i'm considering
Combine the SNS Stage 2 with a good merge and you will pick up a ton of torque from idle to 3500rpm.

As far as the re tune goes after installing the new merge.

Picking up that kind of power across the curve is sure to lean out the tune-up a bit. You'll be removing more spent exhaust gas from the cylinder so more intake charge can now be put in its place. This will certainly lean the tune out somewhat.

How much so is left to be unseen until we(or your tuner or yourself) gets a VCM scanner on it and on the dyno.
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Thank you both for the response...i'll be talking with you martin in the coming weeks... the car isn't that fun as mentioned above where i drive it these days...

to the op, was those numbers put through an auto or m6?
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pretty engine lol
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*UPDATE*
Wheels just came in today, 15x10 5.5" BS
MWC 9" ready to install as well
-still need flowmaster merge
-racetronix hot wire kit for later on when i spray
-slp sfc's(weld in)
hope to be on the dyno again next month

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Good looking wheels right there. Looking forward to see everything come together.
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Hey guys I'm planning to put this cam on my ls1 build. My build is for dd and occasional autox. Do I need to upgrade the stock rockers? I have upgraded the springs and pushrods.

I'm just trying to get the mild version of it.
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Originally Posted by laurentj23
Hey guys I'm planning to put this cam on my ls1 build. My build is for dd and occasional autox. Do I need to upgrade the stock rockers? I have upgraded the springs and pushrods.

I'm just trying to get the mild version of it.
Upgrading the stock rockers isn't a 100% *must*, but the COMP Cams Trunion Upgrade Kit is smart to do if you've got the extra room in your budget: http://www.tickperformance.com/comp-...union-upgrade/


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