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Old Sep 17, 2018 | 07:22 AM
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Been trying to figure out the dip at 6600 in my dyno graphs. So I went Friday and did a test on the 1.85s and swapped back to stock rockers on the dyno (it was hot) and here are the results. Red is yellaterra 1.85 and blue is stock. I have PSI1511 springs and titanium retainers on it. Mods are in signature.
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That gain above 6k with the 1.85's is pretty good, until 6600. Too much rocker weight to control them properly at that rpm with those springs?
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Originally Posted by ddnspider
That gain above 6k with the 1.85's is pretty good, until 6600. Too much rocker weight to control them properly at that rpm with those springs?
Thats the best we can come up with. These rockers are only good to 400lbs open spring pressure. I have heard they do fin up to 450lbs. I am currently looking for the ideal spring to swap and keep for a cam change. Need a decent amount of seat pressure but not to much to pop the head of a valve off lol
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Originally Posted by lazerlemonta
Thats the best we can come up with. These rockers are only good to 400lbs open spring pressure. I have heard they do fin up to 450lbs. I am currently looking for the ideal spring to swap and keep for a cam change. Need a decent amount of seat pressure but not to much to pop the head of a valve off lol
I gotcha. It's interesting that it looks like the stocker's made more power down low, but the 1.85's gained ~15whp up top.
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Old Sep 17, 2018 | 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by ddnspider
I gotcha. It's interesting that it looks like the stocker's made more power down low, but the 1.85's gained ~15whp up top.
That is in fact what happened and has us all scratching our heads. Typically they make more power everywhere.
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Just throw a cam in it and be done
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Originally Posted by ddnspider
Just throw a cam in it and be done
Not enough time to make that happen for the november rental lol
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Originally Posted by lazerlemonta
Not enough time to make that happen for the november rental lol
Plenty of time! Weekend and a 6 pack lol.
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Very good info, nice back to back test.
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Old Sep 18, 2018 | 12:15 PM
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Not really a great match for the FAST you just got. Stock rockers and the FAST would probably be worth more ET on the track.

Very strange they're down on power below 6000...that's a significant loss. They lost everywhere about what I'd expect them to gain??
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Old Sep 18, 2018 | 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by spanks13
Not really a great match for the FAST you just got. Stock rockers and the FAST would probably be worth more ET on the track.

Very strange they're down on power below 6000...that's a significant loss. They lost everywhere about what I'd expect them to gain??
Considering I am never below 5k I dont know how the rockers would not be faster on track. The gain up top is a solid 10-12 until 6600.
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Old Sep 18, 2018 | 01:15 PM
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Nice test. Also thought weird the gain wasn't through the whole rpm band.
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Originally Posted by lazerlemonta
Considering I am never below 5k I dont know how the rockers would not be faster on track. The gain up top is a solid 10-12 until 6600.
Maybe I wasn't too clear - I meant that with the new short runner fast you're going to run you'll want to be shifting 7500-ish. This thing is taking a nose dive above 6600. Stable valvetrain and the short runner intake would probably run better on track than the 1.85's keeping it out of valvefloat. The fast intake makes less power until ~6000 rpm on an ls3.
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Try shimming up your valvesprings? More seat pressure would probably help with the instability.
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Old Sep 18, 2018 | 09:18 PM
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How much time on the 1511’s? The YT’s are gonna need a little more spring than the Oem rockers, as you know.
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Originally Posted by ddnspider
That gain above 6k with the 1.85's is pretty good, until 6600. Too much rocker weight to control them properly at that rpm with those springs?
SLP 1.85's don't weigh any more then stock. I'm gonna guess needs more valve spring or shim the current ones.
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Originally Posted by kinglt-1
SLP 1.85's don't weigh any more then stock. I'm gonna guess needs more valve spring or shim the current ones.
It didn't nose over with stock rockers....so what's the difference if its not rocker weight, simply the increased ratio?
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I know you probably dont want to spend this kind of money, but to gain back the stability that you lost, your going to have to lighten up the intake valves and valve springs if you dont want to find lighter rockers. the weight of the springs themselves actually makes a difference. I'm sure you already have titanium retainers, if not then definitely get some. the little things add up. Before pulling the heads, try the external things.
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Old Sep 19, 2018 | 08:32 PM
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That’s clearly a loss of valvetrain control up top. But what are your cam specs? Higher ratio rockers do increase actual valve duration slightly - I wonder if extra overlap is what’s causing that power loss - and that is a significant power loss.
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