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Old 08-30-2020, 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by ddnspider
Assuming the before was on the same Dyno and they didn't change the Dyno configuration id want to know:
SAE graph since you posted a STD graph. If conditions were miserable your SAE correction may get you to where you think you should be
​​​Fuel pressure during a pull
Injector duty cycle during the pull
Lifter preload
A dyno pull without the Y pipe, i.e. open headers
Confirmation if they physically removed the MAF because if they did then they had to do a speed density tune.
Confirmation that 97kPa is normal for your DA/area
Quoting myself here as this is my hit list for what I'd want to see.
OP yes IDC is injector duty cycle. And the stock ECM is open loop at WOT so there is no fuel compensation. The way it works is whatever the last fuel trim when in closed loop right before you go WOT is used as a fixed adder. If your fuel trim is negative it doesn't pull any fuel but doesn't add any either.
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he did do a pull without the y pipe and had extensions...i don't have it to show but he said no difference
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Originally Posted by Floorman279
he did do a pull without the y pipe and had extensions...i don't have it to show but he said no difference
That checks 1 thing off the list I posted.
Old 08-30-2020, 12:41 PM
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If compression is in check and no vac leaks I'd look for fueling issues. If pushrods are too short then you could see a loss of power. A stout heavy powertrain will also suck up a ton of torque and actual power could be misrepresented on the dyno.
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He has adjustable rockers.

Which short travel lifters do you have? How much lifter preload is he setting it up with?

I doubt there’s fuel pressure problems with twin pumps but it’d be worth checking at least once.


Soooo does Tony have any input?
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Originally Posted by spanks13
He has adjustable rockers.

Which short travel lifters do you have? How much lifter preload is he setting it up with?

I doubt there’s fuel pressure problems with twin pumps but it’d be worth checking at least once.


Soooo does Tony have any input?
He said the 2nd pump isn't turned on yet.
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Originally Posted by ddnspider
He said the 2nd pump isn't turned on yet.
This.

I realized that theory and practice usually net different results. I'm pretty certain a single 250lph pump would be barely adequate for these power levels. Isnt that good for about only 550 crank?
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Originally Posted by Bspeck82
This.

I realized that theory and practice usually net different results. I'm pretty certain a single 250lph pump would be barely adequate for these power levels. Isnt that good for about only 550 crank?
You can do 500whp boosted with a single 255 with a hot wire kit, so an NA setup should support about 600whp but setups vary obv.
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Originally Posted by Bspeck82
If compression is in check and no vac leaks I'd look for fueling issues. If pushrods are too short then you could see a loss of power. A stout heavy powertrain will also suck up a ton of torque and actual power could be misrepresented on the dyno.
everything from the flywheel to tires is exact same parts that dynoed 459 405tq with my ls1 with a 236 238 cam, fast 90, heavily ported 799s so honestly it's not terrible those are good numbers. that was a different dynojet tho
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Originally Posted by ddnspider
You can do 500whp boosted with a single 255 with a hot wire kit, so an NA setup should support about 600whp but setups vary obv.
yea 600 rwhp is a single electronic with hotwires limits. I think u can get 550 no hotwire. that's y I said mine as well run doubles cause eventually I will be over 600, hopefully.

don t really wanna bother Tony anymore. this is the 3rd time I had to bitch about my problems with him.

Johnson 2126 right, the .058 travel with axle oiling. him and I like .030 preload.

you guys did see i mentioned after first dyno, heads came off to address pushrods hitting head.heads were not skimmed before reassembly but new gaskets were used
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When you spend the kind of money you are with a sponsor you better freaking be able to contact them when you have a concern. You've still got a hit list of stuff from my posts to check out.
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Originally Posted by ddnspider
When you spend the kind of money you are with a sponsor you better freaking be able to contact them when you have a concern. You've still got a hit list of stuff from my posts to check out.
I know I have reached out. he's upset I'm running the crowers, and could see valve float, this was before I ran the heavier springs.

correct, unsure of when the tuner will get another shot at this so when he does I'll post back. got a few suggestions from u guys to pass to him
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Get the graph in SAE too and lower smoothing too, it may help show signs of instability.
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Originally Posted by ddnspider
Get the graph in SAE too and lower smoothing too, it may help show signs of instability.
ok good tip
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Sorry to hear the car isn't performing as expected. That's really frustrating.

Have you been able to drive the car any on the street?

My only thought is getting some street/highway miles might help ID an issue that isn't showing up during a brief dyno run
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I found an issue with my RS that didn't show up on the dyno.
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at one point we tried a set of ls2 coils. not much diagnosing has happened after spring swap
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here is the uncorrected graph with smoothing off
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tuner said

injector peak at 6400 rpm, pulse width at highest is 15.4 ms and drops to 14.2 ms by 7100. maf shows air speed leveling off there also which indicates an air flow problem which makes me think its a flow problem or valvetrain issue.

he also said, smoothing on 0 u can see a pulse up top which also leads me to think valvetrain, becuase less timing didnt help so its not a detonation issue.....
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What injectors? That looks pretty wavy up top. Seems like the tuner should have brought that up. I can't read the pic well enough, are the SAE numbers higher than STD?
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Originally Posted by ddnspider
What injectors? That looks pretty wavy up top. Seems like the tuner should have brought that up. I can't read the pic well enough, are the SAE numbers higher than STD?
he likes Holley stuff, so we got ls1 height 42 pound Holley so we don't need adapters for the injectors.

I dont think he looked at the std numbers without smoothing, which yes are higher than corrected numbers. u can click on pic and it gets bigger


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