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Old 01-26-2005, 07:42 PM
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under the curve means the whole rpm range, even though at peak you might of only gained 2hp at 3k it might be 13hp. same with tq, you gotta look at the whole curve instead of just peak.

heres a poignant example using a h/c dyno:

just looking at peak you'd say ryan 035 is the better package but as you can evidenly see, its not
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Originally Posted by jrp
under the curve means the whole rpm range, even though at peak you might of only gained 2hp at 3k it might be 13hp. same with tq, you gotta look at the whole curve instead of just peak.

heres a poignant example using a h/c dyno:

just looking at peak you'd say ryan 035 is the better package but as you can evidenly see, its not
That makes sence. I guess I did know that.Ya know I have read/scearched this fourm for 4 or 5 months before my first post. I have learned alot from your posts and stickys. You go the extra mile. Thanks for your help
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peak numbers don't mean JACK. what did you gain under the curve?? lets see some dyno graphs, before/after.
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Originally Posted by jrp
under the curve means the whole rpm range, even though at peak you might of only gained 2hp at 3k it might be 13hp. same with tq, you gotta look at the whole curve instead of just peak.

heres a poignant example using a h/c dyno:

just looking at peak you'd say ryan 035 is the better package but as you can evidenly see, its not
I thought dynos were about the same. I dynoed at differnt place than my baseline. So I took it back to the first place no changes and came up with 362HP/370TQ . They lost my baseline so its kind of hard to see under the cruve. I can see that I lost lowend TQ. 17HP for headers and EWP?
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Thats about right for a stock engine. You have to remember that different mods will net different amounts of power before and after additional modifications. A cam might add 25rwhp seperate and headers may only add 12 seperately like yours. But together they may add 50-60.
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Originally Posted by CarsRFun
I only picked up 10hp and 16ftlbs of torque when I got my supermaxx with cat and x-pipe,, hell my tune on LS1 edit gave me 20hp and 16ft lbs of torque.
20HP over the 10HP you gained with the headers?
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I put down 319/330 with a LT's, cutout, and all bolt ons exept ls6 at TEA.

After Brent got dyno tuning my car, i put down 345/355....as you can imagine, my stock tune was the culprit


FYI-this is a M6
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Originally Posted by slow ride
Do you know of any one in our area. I am in Orange County Ca. When you say junk the MAF do I put the stock one on, or a Z06? Thanks

Slow ride,
Just to let you know we have a Dynojet chassis dyno and all the tuning software to perform this task. We also have (in my honest opinion) one of the best and most through tuners in the country, his name is Tad Bansuelo and if you search the Impala/LT1 forums you will find he is very well spoken of and routinely fixes problems at our shop caused by other "BIG NAME" tuners. Feel free to call us for an appointment 760-200-5155 we are only an hour or so from you.

Thank you for your time.
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12.1 afr from 5000 to 6200 is likely a little to rich,there is your missing hp.
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I would have to say that the AFR is a little ritch but from my experience it is not going to pick up any huge amounts of power from the AFR, 5-7 tops, I would say that you should look at your curve as others have noted, I would assume you gained quite a bit in other parts of the curve and BELIEVE ME, you don't need peak numbers to go fast, it is the power under the curve that counts on the track! Also more mods will make those headers earn their keep much better, as the demand on the exhaust system increases, so will the gains from improving it.

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havn't tried any shops jrp recommended, but I know of some others a and a corvette in oxnard and strictly performance in van nuys and I have heard great things about strictly performance. there is also superior automotive in anaheim.
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Originally Posted by 52172
havn't tried any shops jrp recommended, but I know of some others a and a corvette in oxnard and strictly performance in van nuys and I have heard great things about strictly performance. there is also superior automotive in anaheim.
I live 2 miles from Superior. And have been to both A&A and Superior for dyno runs. I know you that you had you work done at Superior and your happy. 415/403. Not bad.Have you had to smog your car yet? What are the cam specs.

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No have not had to smog yet (lol) Joe Jill said it will pass (barely) the specs on the cam are 222/224 .581 114 with 1.75 rockers works out to around .591 lift XER lobes car runs really strong I could only imagine what a set of long tubes and 90/90 intake would accomplish maybe 440-450 rwhp all with a baby cam. I think superior can really do a great job on heads I am just wondering if I am leaving some power on the table with only having a custom predator tune by Sean Ellis @ So Cal Diablo? Would love to hit 420 plus all with my JBA's! What do you think?
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Originally Posted by 52172
No have not had to smog yet (lol) Joe Jill said it will pass (barely) the specs on the cam are 222/224 .581 114 with 1.75 rockers works out to around .591 lift XER lobes car runs really strong I could only imagine what a set of long tubes and 90/90 intake would accomplish maybe 440-450 rwhp all with a baby cam. I think superior can really do a great job on heads I am just wondering if I am leaving some power on the table with only having a custom predator tune by Sean Ellis @ So Cal Diablo? Would love to hit 420 plus all with my JBA's! What do you think?
About the Diablo tune.I have the basic one. All these guys say to ditch it.Use LS1 edit or HP tuners. I dont know it's all new to me. I am trying to hit that 440-450 also. I just have bolt on's and making 362/370. I seen guys post 60-80HP gains cam only. 88HP for H/C could put me at 450. As far as your JBA's these guys say there not worth much. MAC's seem to a hot ticket up to 26HP. PM if you want to bullshit/bench race. I am local and will give you my number or vise versa.
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Hey slow ride, where in OC do you live? I'm from OC also
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Hey slow ride, where in OC do you live? I'm from OC also
Buena Park. Near Knott's Berry Farm. If you want to bullshit/bench race. Pm me I will give you my number or vice/versa
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a/f is only part of tuning....
your car might also like a few degrees more timing. 12.1 is fat for the upper range, but its not way out there, i dont know preditors tune, but if it moved your timeing at all then it can have huge effects one way or the other... if you are picking up false knock your knock module could be pulling timing up top, just your motors way of protecting itsself.... was it on autotap while it was being dynoed? or just the wideband?

long story short, you need a real tune.... hand held tuners are toys for kids....
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Originally Posted by jaberwaki
a/f is only part of tuning....
your car might also like a few degrees more timing. 12.1 is fat for the upper range, but its not way out there, i dont know preditors tune, but if it moved your timeing at all then it can have huge effects one way or the other... if you are picking up false knock your knock module could be pulling timing up top, just your motors way of protecting itsself.... was it on autotap while it was being dynoed? or just the wideband?

long story short, you need a real tune.... hand held tuners are toys for kids....
Yes it done with a wideband. And no KR timing was about 22* at WOT
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Originally Posted by slow ride
Yes it done with a wideband. And no KR timing was about 22* at WOT
To the top!!!!!

I am back after three years. The car was stored in a garage in Ga. for the last three years, got tied up in a devorice. Just got it back!!!! and I am starting over. any help to get me back up to speed would be great!!!
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Originally Posted by slow ride 02
To the top!!!!!

I am back after three years. The car was stored in a garage in Ga. for the last three years, got tied up in a devorice. Just got it back!!!! and I am starting over. any help to get me back up to speed would be great!!!
So after re reading this it sounds like my SLP MAF and tune could be holding me back? anyone care to commet?



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