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09-02-2005, 08:12 AM
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Jealous? lol If I want your V3 cam only package, I'll just buy a Trex and put a TTP sticker on it.
52172: That is your opinion. Obviously I am biased because it's my cam we're talking about here. But when we sell a lot of AFR heads mail order we sell LG's cams with them. They make awesome power dont get me wrong, I just prefer my own grind!
09-02-2005, 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by TA2SLOW346
Well if this car makes 440rwhp it shouldnt have a problem putting up 125mph even in 100 degree heat at the track!!!! So whats this car run or is it just a show car/ cruiser?
09-06-2005, 03:50 AM
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Yup, I'm just a jealous ball breaker. And you're just a guy who puts someone else's cams in TTP boxes and call them your own.
Have you checked your website lately? Your CUSTOM camshafts, the 220/220, 224/224, 230/224 and 227/224, are TR cams. Don't see you giving Thunder the credit for anything, just repackaging their cams.
What fast cars have you guys built seeing as you're the KINGS of power? The red Formula you guys owned had a built motor and didn't go nowhere so it was sold. You guys gonna take credit for Pete's car? Stock bottom end - 505rwhp/436rwtq. More like blueprinted LS6 bottom end built by Cartech. Guess that's top secret, like your cam specs. LOL
Have you checked your website lately? Your CUSTOM camshafts, the 220/220, 224/224, 230/224 and 227/224, are TR cams. Don't see you giving Thunder the credit for anything, just repackaging their cams.
What fast cars have you guys built seeing as you're the KINGS of power? The red Formula you guys owned had a built motor and didn't go nowhere so it was sold. You guys gonna take credit for Pete's car? Stock bottom end - 505rwhp/436rwtq. More like blueprinted LS6 bottom end built by Cartech. Guess that's top secret, like your cam specs. LOL
09-06-2005, 01:44 PM
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Silver: I admit they are TR custom camshafts, whats your point? My equalizer cams are done by Comp and are own grind not TRex cams or whatever you claim they are. If I wanted to take the same specs just like anyone can and order the lobes from Comp I would. The 230/224 and 227/224 rev. splits were a good idea incorporated by T/R.
The red Formula went 11.1 on an old heads/cam setup before the motor. went 10.6 on the spray. Beat up on a Cartek 2x package car back in the day, a lot of times. I have the vids which I will be happy to post. Also, we've gone 10.4 with our TTA on 17lbs of boost.
Also, Pete's motor is not a blueprinted ls6 bottom end, that's a joke in itself. I believe that as much as the 484rwhp dyno sheet he has which he did not see the car dyno'd but when the car only dyno'd 454rwhp on an independant dyno (Yes it was my dynojet, but this was last year before Pete even considered moving from cartek to TTP). 30rwhp difference, hmm...
Anyways, where is your dyno sheet and timeslip? Do you even own a LS1?
The red Formula went 11.1 on an old heads/cam setup before the motor. went 10.6 on the spray. Beat up on a Cartek 2x package car back in the day, a lot of times. I have the vids which I will be happy to post. Also, we've gone 10.4 with our TTA on 17lbs of boost.
Also, Pete's motor is not a blueprinted ls6 bottom end, that's a joke in itself. I believe that as much as the 484rwhp dyno sheet he has which he did not see the car dyno'd but when the car only dyno'd 454rwhp on an independant dyno (Yes it was my dynojet, but this was last year before Pete even considered moving from cartek to TTP). 30rwhp difference, hmm...
Anyways, where is your dyno sheet and timeslip? Do you even own a LS1?
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09-06-2005, 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by 52172
I probibly would get a G5x-3 or 4 rather than the other cams in your list. I think the Lg cams make the best torque cruve out of the three.
09-06-2005, 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by TTPMatt
The red Formula went 11.1 on an old heads/cam setup before the motor. went 10.6 on the spray. Beat up on a Cartek 2x package car back in the day, a lot of times. I have the vids which I will be happy to post.
Can you please post the videos?
09-06-2005, 03:40 PM
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Yes, in fact I own 2 of them Matt. My 98 dynoed 401 with TEA 1.5s, TR 224 114 lsa, LS6 intake and stock TB, Pacesetters and ORY, closed up Borla, an ASP pulley, the 98 KR mod (15* of timing), with a Vette DRs tune. When I got the car tuned and dynoed that day I was told to use my Hypertech to adjust the shift points by Carmen. So 5 minutes after getting my car back I uploaded the modified shift points which also uploaded the STOCK tune back in the car. Didn't know that little fact until I bought HP tuners.
So with a stock tune, a Protorque 3200 converter (should be called NO torque), 3.42s, 15* of timing, slipping tranny, LCAs, no front sway bar, Nitto 245/16 DRs on a 75-80* day the car ran 11.84 at 114.86 weighing 3600 lbs with driver, on stock 16 wheels.
No PT 4400 here, no tune, 15* of timing, small cam, no ET streets and no February DAs.
I saw the videos and everytime the Vette hooked the red Bird lost.
Until you pull the motor out of Pete's car I guess you'll never know for sure. So til then your claim's bogus.
The red Bird may have ran good with the old ASA cam / LPE CNC LS6 heads, a package that was designed to work together by the way, but with the motor you guys built the car never beat the old set-up. So what does that prove? Hmmm....
So with a stock tune, a Protorque 3200 converter (should be called NO torque), 3.42s, 15* of timing, slipping tranny, LCAs, no front sway bar, Nitto 245/16 DRs on a 75-80* day the car ran 11.84 at 114.86 weighing 3600 lbs with driver, on stock 16 wheels.
No PT 4400 here, no tune, 15* of timing, small cam, no ET streets and no February DAs.
I saw the videos and everytime the Vette hooked the red Bird lost.
Until you pull the motor out of Pete's car I guess you'll never know for sure. So til then your claim's bogus.
The red Bird may have ran good with the old ASA cam / LPE CNC LS6 heads, a package that was designed to work together by the way, but with the motor you guys built the car never beat the old set-up. So what does that prove? Hmmm....
09-06-2005, 03:58 PM
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As for the TR/TTA portion of this discussion, great runs. Am I impressed, no. Went 11.3s at 126 w/a 1.88 60' in my 3700 lb TR back in the day.
.020 over 109 block, old ESP stage 4 cam that was going flat, stock ported heads (not Champs), ported intake, stock plenum and TB, T63e (30 psi), KB Big Boy, 55 lbers, RA 107 chip, 3" ATR downpipe, open dump tube, 2800 stall 12" Pat's converter, bone stock suspension including both sway bars, 27x10 slicks. Oh and the best parts, a 307 pump and a stock 200 4R which upon reading the codes of it was out of a 307 Olds. It would upshit at 3700 in D so I had to manually shift it and it slipped 1-2 bad and a little on the 2-3.
1.88 60' and a 97 mph in the 1/8 goes to show how lazy the car was through the 1/8th. After the 1/8 it lean popped through the intake 4 times in 3rd gear cause the 307 pump doesn't like to pump much when fuel pressure goes to 70 psi.
So........no stage 2 motor here, no alum heads, no big turbo, no converter, no fuel pump, no dyno tuning, small intercooler and a stock chassis/susp setup. You can chalk the 3 mph advantage to the TTA's aerodynamics over the TR's.
.020 over 109 block, old ESP stage 4 cam that was going flat, stock ported heads (not Champs), ported intake, stock plenum and TB, T63e (30 psi), KB Big Boy, 55 lbers, RA 107 chip, 3" ATR downpipe, open dump tube, 2800 stall 12" Pat's converter, bone stock suspension including both sway bars, 27x10 slicks. Oh and the best parts, a 307 pump and a stock 200 4R which upon reading the codes of it was out of a 307 Olds. It would upshit at 3700 in D so I had to manually shift it and it slipped 1-2 bad and a little on the 2-3.
1.88 60' and a 97 mph in the 1/8 goes to show how lazy the car was through the 1/8th. After the 1/8 it lean popped through the intake 4 times in 3rd gear cause the 307 pump doesn't like to pump much when fuel pressure goes to 70 psi.
So........no stage 2 motor here, no alum heads, no big turbo, no converter, no fuel pump, no dyno tuning, small intercooler and a stock chassis/susp setup. You can chalk the 3 mph advantage to the TTA's aerodynamics over the TR's.
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This has been an entertaining thread. There's nothing like watching a business owner making an *** of himself in the same community he's trying to sell parts and service to.
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09-07-2005, 10:41 AM
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This has been an entertaining thread. There's nothing like watching a business owner making an *** of himself in the same community he's trying to sell parts and service to.
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Our TTA never held boost up, launched at 26psi and then dropped during shifts, we made a custom c02 system to hold boost on the other side of the wastegate but we tore the car apart. We will be swapping in a Gen III motor into the TTA now.
09-07-2005, 01:28 PM
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Ctrues00 - I disagree with your first and only post on this board. And believe me, if I felt Matt was making an *** of himself I'd be the first to say it. lol He's maintained his composure and has not stooped to name calling and such as have others on here that I've had battles of wits with.
Matt - I think it's a shame you guys did that. The Buick 6 banger is a pain in the butt to get running right, but when you do it's quite rewarding being able to dust anything in your path. You guys already had a stage 2 motor in there, thus overcoming the biggest obstacle to making serious power. But even that strong block is very susceptible to thrust bearing damage if the tranny fluid pressure is too high or the gap between the converter and flexplate is not correct. Otherwise, that sucker is bullet proof.
Matt - I think it's a shame you guys did that. The Buick 6 banger is a pain in the butt to get running right, but when you do it's quite rewarding being able to dust anything in your path. You guys already had a stage 2 motor in there, thus overcoming the biggest obstacle to making serious power. But even that strong block is very susceptible to thrust bearing damage if the tranny fluid pressure is too high or the gap between the converter and flexplate is not correct. Otherwise, that sucker is bullet proof.
09-07-2005, 03:41 PM
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After looking at your website and doing some searching on here I think I know what my issues are with TTP.
1. Back in the day Matt was all about 1/4 times and not dyno numbers.
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Brent: This was on the old cam and heads package before George did extensive porting/polishing to finish up the CNC job and a valve job on the heads (They had stock valves). We have done some extensive modifications over the last 8 months since the first motor grenaded. We don't feel like getting into all the dyno number hype, so we're going to bring it out and we'll let the E/T do the talking. Remember this car still weighs in 400+ lbs heavier than yours.
- Matt
2. The packages TTP sells/installs bring to mind today's gas prices. Grossly inflated. I added up the individual prices of the items listed and I see at least $700.00 profit on top of the built in profit on say the AFR heads, and that is with estimating a price of roughly $ 800.00 for the V3 cam and $2600.00 for the hand finished AFR 205s. I mean cmon guys, $700.00 profit on top of profit for a mail order cam/head package?
MTI's cam/install/tune SPECIAL is going for $1300.00. Lets add $250.00 for dual spring
option. That's still 500 bucks cheaper than TTP's cam/install SPECIAL of $2054.00. Labor rates on automotive work are pretty standard throught the country but let's say there's a difference of $20.00 per hour for the engine work. Say 8 hours to do the job, but it sould take less time to do it. That's 160 bucks right there. Then all that's left is the tune. Tuning goes for pretty much the same price among all the sponsors. That still leaves a $340.00 difference.
1. Back in the day Matt was all about 1/4 times and not dyno numbers.
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Brent: This was on the old cam and heads package before George did extensive porting/polishing to finish up the CNC job and a valve job on the heads (They had stock valves). We have done some extensive modifications over the last 8 months since the first motor grenaded. We don't feel like getting into all the dyno number hype, so we're going to bring it out and we'll let the E/T do the talking. Remember this car still weighs in 400+ lbs heavier than yours.
- Matt
2. The packages TTP sells/installs bring to mind today's gas prices. Grossly inflated. I added up the individual prices of the items listed and I see at least $700.00 profit on top of the built in profit on say the AFR heads, and that is with estimating a price of roughly $ 800.00 for the V3 cam and $2600.00 for the hand finished AFR 205s. I mean cmon guys, $700.00 profit on top of profit for a mail order cam/head package?
MTI's cam/install/tune SPECIAL is going for $1300.00. Lets add $250.00 for dual spring
option. That's still 500 bucks cheaper than TTP's cam/install SPECIAL of $2054.00. Labor rates on automotive work are pretty standard throught the country but let's say there's a difference of $20.00 per hour for the engine work. Say 8 hours to do the job, but it sould take less time to do it. That's 160 bucks right there. Then all that's left is the tune. Tuning goes for pretty much the same price among all the sponsors. That still leaves a $340.00 difference.
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Silver: Doesnt matter what the prices are. This is our price on the package if you want to make power that's it. Call up any other shop in our area that has made power, you'll see price differences of $1000+ on top of our packages.
Yes the Stage 2 was a good motor. But we're a lsx based shop and would like a nice lsx based car.
Dyno #'s mean crap to me its all in the E/T. Obviously you'll know that a 500rwhp car should make a good E/T vs. a 250rwhp, but some cars never dyno well. People like to see the dyno #'s to have a good comparison. This car in particular has dyno'd 434, 436, 438, 439 and 440 all SAE. So its been pretty well backed up. I have actually told meatyz to drop me the car off and I'll take it to the track, lol.
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Yes the Stage 2 was a good motor. But we're a lsx based shop and would like a nice lsx based car.
Dyno #'s mean crap to me its all in the E/T. Obviously you'll know that a 500rwhp car should make a good E/T vs. a 250rwhp, but some cars never dyno well. People like to see the dyno #'s to have a good comparison. This car in particular has dyno'd 434, 436, 438, 439 and 440 all SAE. So its been pretty well backed up. I have actually told meatyz to drop me the car off and I'll take it to the track, lol.
- Matt
09-08-2005, 09:51 PM
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Matt I think you certainly do have one of the very best H/C packages out there hands down!! Keep up the great work! What kind of numbers do you hope for with the new ls7 heads and intake on a resleeved darton MID block with a 4.125 bore? Do you plan on taking the heads apart and doing some hand porting and finishing? Flow numbers stock out of the box are reported to be around 360 cfm! 2.2 titanium intake valves!!!!!!!!!