346 h/c + bolt-ons ls1
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Staging Lane
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346 h/c + bolt-ons ls1 this is a 2000ss 6speed & 10 bolt w/3.42's
final numbers sae corrected at rear wheels on 91 octane: 385hp/ 366trq
peak power is at 6350rpm's and redline is set at 6500rpm's
lingenfelter balanced/blueprinted 346ci ls1
stock crank-deburred
stock rods-deburred
mahle coated forged aluminum pistons
poly dyn coated rod & main bearings
comp cams xer 224/ 581"/ 114
comp cams adj. timing set
comp cams 850 lifters
comp cams hardened pushrods (7.4")
west coast cylinder heads cnc ported ls1 (non milled): 2.02/1.57 rev valves, pioneer double valve springs & ti retainers
slp ls6 intake w/egr
slp lid w/k&n filter
katech ported stock throttle body
svo 30lbs. injectors
ls6 oil pump-deburred & shimmed
asp crank & alt. pulley's
pacesetter coated long tubes w/egr & air
qtp 3" catted y-pipe w/no muffler (very, very loud when you drop the hammer)
z06 clutch w/fidanza aluminum flywheel
tuning done by charlie @ a&a corvette in oxnard
this was a budget build and i'm very happy with the results. i know some of you may say the numbers are a little low but the butt-o-meter tells a different story. the motor sounds very health and just screams all the way to redline with zero knock
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thank very much to the following people involved:
ed potter @ lingenfelter
richard @ westcoast cylinder heads
andy & charlie @ a&a corvette
todd & matt @ bedard automotive
attached are the standard & sae corrected dyno sheets
final numbers sae corrected at rear wheels on 91 octane: 385hp/ 366trq
peak power is at 6350rpm's and redline is set at 6500rpm's
lingenfelter balanced/blueprinted 346ci ls1
stock crank-deburred
stock rods-deburred
mahle coated forged aluminum pistons
poly dyn coated rod & main bearings
comp cams xer 224/ 581"/ 114
comp cams adj. timing set
comp cams 850 lifters
comp cams hardened pushrods (7.4")
west coast cylinder heads cnc ported ls1 (non milled): 2.02/1.57 rev valves, pioneer double valve springs & ti retainers
slp ls6 intake w/egr
slp lid w/k&n filter
katech ported stock throttle body
svo 30lbs. injectors
ls6 oil pump-deburred & shimmed
asp crank & alt. pulley's
pacesetter coated long tubes w/egr & air
qtp 3" catted y-pipe w/no muffler (very, very loud when you drop the hammer)
z06 clutch w/fidanza aluminum flywheel
tuning done by charlie @ a&a corvette in oxnard
this was a budget build and i'm very happy with the results. i know some of you may say the numbers are a little low but the butt-o-meter tells a different story. the motor sounds very health and just screams all the way to redline with zero knock
.thank very much to the following people involved:
ed potter @ lingenfelter
richard @ westcoast cylinder heads
andy & charlie @ a&a corvette
todd & matt @ bedard automotive
attached are the standard & sae corrected dyno sheets
Good for you if you are happy, very seldom are people content with what they get. I just know from that list the amount you spent and its alot. I personally wouldnt be happy with that.
Brandon
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I've seen similar results with just stock ls1s w/ full exhaust + bolt ons, (350 hp , 360 tq at wheels), completely stock motor... 
but if your happy then congrats, sounds like a strong set up...
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I would've expected slightly higher numbers. Get the heads milled... you are giving up some power right there.
I assume you went with the 224/224 114LSA to pass smog?
If you are happy then that should be fine.... give it a few months when you get used to it and a bigger cam is on the list of upgrades.
My combo is nearly the same aside from TSP 233/239 cam and .024" milled AFR 205's. Over 50rwhp difference and on 91 octane as well.
Do you have a ported TB on it? A few more ponies there....
-Mark
I assume you went with the 224/224 114LSA to pass smog?
If you are happy then that should be fine.... give it a few months when you get used to it and a bigger cam is on the list of upgrades.
My combo is nearly the same aside from TSP 233/239 cam and .024" milled AFR 205's. Over 50rwhp difference and on 91 octane as well.
Do you have a ported TB on it? A few more ponies there....
-Mark
i agree with xfactor. looks like ALOT of money with very low results. do a search and you'll most people here get 370-390rwhp with that cam and bolt ons only....bone stock heads, without doing the balancing and blueprinting of the shortblock, without the forged mahle pistons and without all that deburring. you should have throw in some forged rods and then atleast you'd be ready for bigtime power. sorry but id be pissed.
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Staging Lane
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dug,
the z06 clutch & fidanza flywheel are great, zero chatter and zero slip.
i do agree with most of you on the power being on the low side. i was expecting around the 400-425hp & 380+trq at the wheels, but it sure does feel very strong for a 346ci motor. this is coming from a guy with a 730hp/700lb ft. trq supercharged 383 91z28.
maybe charlie is right about there dyno reading lower then most. he seems to think it would put up the 400+hp mark on other dynos.
as far as the cost of the motor it came out to around $5,000+/-, so not real expensive but at the same time i don't have the cash for the forged stuff, or else it would have been a 383. i also wanted to keep the compression around stock to be safe with zero detonation/knock on 91 octane.
also no boost, been down that road, to costly to build at this time.
if i can feel the power in the cheeks of my face then i'm a happy camper. maybe in a few years i'll slap on a set of afr's, but for now i don't have $2,000 to blow on cylinder heads.
the z06 clutch & fidanza flywheel are great, zero chatter and zero slip.
i do agree with most of you on the power being on the low side. i was expecting around the 400-425hp & 380+trq at the wheels, but it sure does feel very strong for a 346ci motor. this is coming from a guy with a 730hp/700lb ft. trq supercharged 383 91z28.
maybe charlie is right about there dyno reading lower then most. he seems to think it would put up the 400+hp mark on other dynos.
as far as the cost of the motor it came out to around $5,000+/-, so not real expensive but at the same time i don't have the cash for the forged stuff, or else it would have been a 383. i also wanted to keep the compression around stock to be safe with zero detonation/knock on 91 octane.
also no boost, been down that road, to costly to build at this time.
if i can feel the power in the cheeks of my face then i'm a happy camper. maybe in a few years i'll slap on a set of afr's, but for now i don't have $2,000 to blow on cylinder heads.
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Staging Lane
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stickss,
i agree with you on the motor not being broken in yet, seems like even the motors from the factory free up some ponies after a while. don't think i'm going to get 15-20hp but it might free up some.
30th t/a,
even though it's not built to be a track car i'm sure i will log a few passes just to see what she will do. i'm usaully at irwindale (1/8 mile in cali) running my dads car on thursday nights (except tonight), so i will get some times at least from that track and maybe from pomona and california speedway.
it does need some fine tuning at part throttle around the 1500rpm range so there might be a little left in the tune also, i'm going to give a few weeks and then maybe reschedule with charlie at a&a.
btw,
thanks for all the responses and input guys
i agree with you on the motor not being broken in yet, seems like even the motors from the factory free up some ponies after a while. don't think i'm going to get 15-20hp but it might free up some.
30th t/a,
even though it's not built to be a track car i'm sure i will log a few passes just to see what she will do. i'm usaully at irwindale (1/8 mile in cali) running my dads car on thursday nights (except tonight), so i will get some times at least from that track and maybe from pomona and california speedway.
it does need some fine tuning at part throttle around the 1500rpm range so there might be a little left in the tune also, i'm going to give a few weeks and then maybe reschedule with charlie at a&a.
btw,
thanks for all the responses and input guys
was that a mustang or dynojet dyno?if it was a mustang than the numbers seem about right.but like i always say,it's what it runs at the track that counts,too many people get caught up on dyno nos.
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Originally Posted by 66deuce
was that a mustang or dynojet dyno?if it was a mustang than the numbers seem about right.but like i always say,it's what it runs at the track that counts,too many people get caught up on dyno nos.
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Staging Lane
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66deuce,
yes andy does have a dyno jet.
also charlie had a little trouble tuning it because the preditor tune was still in the ecm when the original motor was yanked out. he did see where the preditor changed things here and there, just food for thought.
anyone have any experiences with another tune from a hand held programer still in the ecm before they went and had it tuned by someone else?
i guess i could reflash the ecm and try again if the above might be the culprit. i just don't want to throw down another $550 on a tune again. it does need some fine tuning imo and i think charlie will work with me on that.
yes andy does have a dyno jet.
also charlie had a little trouble tuning it because the preditor tune was still in the ecm when the original motor was yanked out. he did see where the preditor changed things here and there, just food for thought.
anyone have any experiences with another tune from a hand held programer still in the ecm before they went and had it tuned by someone else?
i guess i could reflash the ecm and try again if the above might be the culprit. i just don't want to throw down another $550 on a tune again. it does need some fine tuning imo and i think charlie will work with me on that.
