Okay I went and got dynoed today the kid that did it seemed kinda duh and so maybe I am wrong but my numbers seemed really low for the mods that I have. Here is a list of my mods as of dynoing

Patriot stage 2 heads with additional porting getting them to flow 321in and 228ex at .600 lift with no enlarging of the runners. 2.02in and 1.57ex ferra valves and 59cc chambers
TR224 camshaft installed straight up I think I didn't install it and the guy that did was pretty tired when he did it haha. 224/224 dur and 581/ 581 lift 114 lobe sep.
Pacesetter longtube headers, no cats 3 in Y pipe and magnaflow stainless steel catback.
8.5 MSD wires, TR55 NGK plugs gapped at 45
SLP lid with K&N filter and fast toys ram air
Tuned by a local guy turned off my MAF and made it speed density and removed all my emissions stuff my tune was done before the cam heads headers, ypipe, lid and plugs haven't gotten retuned since he did get in my car and play with the idle and such after the heads and cam but nothing after the headers and Y and lid. I honestly do not know if he knows what hes doing from what I have read speed density takes alot longer to set up then 30 mins of driving. He also put in a total of 28 degrees of timing I was at 18.
The car is an 02 trans am A4 with 27K on it, I am also at 4800 ft above sea level ow and still on stock converter

Well after all that I dynoed at a disappointing 353 RWHP and 314 RWTQ slopes look good he didnt have a wideband so have no clue what my AFR was but just seems low for such a good package. PLEASE someone help me out I will pay anyone that can get me headed in the right direction to my 400+ NA goal and thats a promise if you get me there I will send you the money $500 cash if you think you can get me there I should be able to hit that or at least close everyone else that has almost identical parts are well over 370+ and alot more torque. Ow and this was done on a dynomite dyno with no fan in front 75 degrees and no cooldown I would post my graph but have no way to do it. AGAIN PLEASE HELP!!!!! cause right now Im doing this

 

Guy get the car dyno tuned I think that will fix your problem . There was no dyno tune after the cam and heads just an idle adjustment .

 

Hey man relax. It sounds like you need a few drinks. Have a few, It's good for the soul. Anyway, you do have a good setup so thats not the problem. Personally I wouldn't have tuned it for speed density, thats more for strict track cars and won't allow for slight changes in motor break in and wear. The MAF compensates slightly for those little changes. However, I think the reason for your lower than expected dyno #'s is
1) 4800 ft above sea level.
2) Lack of a tune on your setup.
All your current mods are a lot for not too much of a tune. I think a good tune on your current mods would yield a good increase in HP and TQ. But keep in mind they will be a little lower because of your sky high elevation. Hope this helps.

 

My gosh, that would make me pissed off. Your car's making roughly the same horsepower as me with less torque.

I think a tune at a reputable shop will help you out immensely. I know when I had my car tuned that they added over 20whp to it. Hopefully you will get everything straightened out.

 

What they said is just what I would have said. I don't think you'll hit 400 with those particular mods even with a really good tune. The setup is so mild and, as you know, the elevation is not helping.

 

well I do have a few ideas I was having a check engine light so I checked it and it was O2 sensor drivers bank so I think that I was not getting a good O2 sensor reading I changed both to brand new units it does feel better and no check engine light. I know that I need a retune and I think I definitely need a different cam maybe a torquer 2 with 232/ 234/ 595/598 112 lobe sep. I think that will be a better camshaft and the heads are plenty good for over 400 rwhp even at this altitude. But I mean I really think between my tune being off and that o2 sensor Iam reading low. But even so 353 rwhp is not bad at this altitude. so i guess get retuned and go from there. thanks guys any more help would be highly appreciated

 

gruntwork you are right I need alot of drinks good thing Im a bartender hahaha. Anyway I was basing my results on yours and I didnt even notice that you are in cali thats got to help alot. But i figure a good tune, new cam, underdrive, and the 90/90 and I will be dam close at this altitude and if i ever go down that way even more haha

 

Does the car feel strong? Take it to the track and see what it runs? Anyways good luck man!

 

Do you have a graph? Are those corrected or std #'s? Converter locked or unlocked?

 

dont know if the converter was locked or not how would I know??? Also I wish there was a good tuner up this area haha. I have a dyno graph but no way to put it on my computer. He looked up the weather and inputed the temp, humity, pressure and a few other things before he performed the dyno. It was on a dynomite type and I am told they are the same as a mustang. I am ordering either a torquer 2 or 3 cant decide yet

 

Oh yeah, I also forgot to add this juicy bit of info for ya. BTW, I had the car tuned in Long Island, NY which is pretty much beach level, close to 0 elevation. When I had my motor rebuilt stock displacement with my ported heads, cam, LS1 intake, stock TB and stock water pump I had it dyno tuned.

The base dyno numbers after the mods and before the tune were..... ready for this: 315 HP!! The blue line on my dyno sheet shows what I made after the tune but before the 90/90 and EWP: 368 HP A difference of 53 HP. So maybe before you start changin your setup try for the good tune and see how you like it. If your satisfied with your new numbers it'll save you a load of cash.

 

When I added my TR224/112 cam I did 315RWHP(ls1intake though)Thought I would have done atlest 330,well added the ls6intake whent to another tuner and got 355rwhp.I doubt that the ls6intake added 40 horses maybe 15-20,I think going with a new tuner made the real diff.IM still on stock heads and Ive got a loose stall (TCI3800)

 

Yeah I have done alot of thinking and am acually really okay with the numbers I have made except the torque after the mods and before the tune. I talked with Gunner today , who I have to say his rep is stainless he not only sat there and went over things with me but got on the net found a guy thats not too far from me has tuning capabilities and has alot of experience but called them himself to ask if they could help me out, I am going there tomarrow at 5:30 for an acual dyno tune Im very excited!!! I am hoping to find the lost HP that I am missing and I am sure that the torque will go up quite some I am thinking I am running either really lean or really rich cant decide haha. They use tuning software called tunercat never heard of it but they asked for my vin and made sure they could get a file. they called back saying yes. So we will see if all goes well. Gruntwork good to hear i am not the only one that had probs at the start and well my HP is alot higher but my torque is lower but was told torque out of an auto on those kinda dynos is very misleading. Thanks for all the help and a HUGE thank you goes out to gunner even if this doesnt work you are the man looking forward to doing alot more buisness with ya!

 

Hope this gets you taken care of. Glad we could help out. Make sure to keep us informed on what happens.

 

These numbers are off..... Average h/c 224 cam a4 car sees 395-405 with a locked converter before the 90/90. Defintly let us know how the tune turn out for ya. If not i am sure there are some tuners on here that wouldnt mind helpin ya out getting this going. I think you would be making a mistake going with a larger cam chasing a dyno number though. There have been a few guys that have run 10 sec times with a 224 cam... I am nt saying you wont go faster or make more power with a larger cam but It all depends on your goals. Larger cams needs more tuning and if finding a good tuner is a problem I wouldnt even think about it.

 

One thing that would help if u dont have it is a ported throttle body.

 

Again thank you guys as I have said this is a killer site and many props go out ot being a member and having all you guys support and lend a helping hand so glad I am no longer a member of the ford group that never cared to help a guy out. I am looking into getting a bigger TB and or just porting my own till I can aford the 90/90. Thank you for the suggestion. I am getting ready to leave to go to the dyno tune and am all excited haha I feel like a kid on christmas morning. I was looking at my dyno graph from the last pull and I think it was reading torque at the end of the run cause thats where it was reading 314.2 but if you go back a bit the graph is quite a bit higher in the 328-330 range. Kinda weird I am really trying to figure a way to post it so I can give you some better imput. I will see if this new place can put the new runs on a disc.