Dynoed tonight
Where did he say he was speaking from personal experience? He said right off the bat that it's from what he's read on here and in GMHTP. Whether his assumptions/understandings are correct or not is a separate issue. I can see where he would say that a lot of people regret going with bigger cams because a lot of people do. A lot of people that go with smaller cams also regret not going bigger. This is no breakthrough in science here, we all know that and it really should have no bearing on a person's choice in cams if they have properly researched them. We're all giving opinions here.
Considering what I've heard about this car as a daily driver and considering the area that this person lives in/around (south riding off of 50 where traffic is absolutely horrendous and stop-and-go is typical), I think the cam may be a bit too large. Personally owning a cam the same relative size of the MS4, I think it could be a big mistake, especially without gears and better heads, which is why I'm wanting to know what the actual goals with this cam are.
BTW...
Keep your personal pleasure based decisions to yourself 
Considering what I've heard about this car as a daily driver and considering the area that this person lives in/around (south riding off of 50 where traffic is absolutely horrendous and stop-and-go is typical), I think the cam may be a bit too large. Personally owning a cam the same relative size of the MS4, I think it could be a big mistake, especially without gears and better heads, which is why I'm wanting to know what the actual goals with this cam are.
BTW...
Originally Posted by Sharpe
"I'm still deciding on my fist cam [or whatever], but from what I've researched on here..."
Originally Posted by ArcticZ28
Where did he say he was speaking from personal experience? He said right off the bat that it's from what he's read on here and in GMHTP. Whether his assumptions/understandings are correct or not is a separate issue. I can see where he would say that a lot of people regret going with bigger cams because a lot of people do. A lot of people that go with smaller cams also regret not going bigger. This is no breakthrough in science here, we all know that and it really should have no bearing on a person's choice in cams if they have properly researched them. We're all giving opinions here.
Considering what I've heard about this car as a daily driver and considering the area that this person lives in/around (south riding off of 50 where traffic is absolutely horrendous and stop-and-go is typical), I think the cam may be a bit too large. Personally owning a cam the same relative size of the MS4, I think it could be a big mistake, especially without gears and better heads, which is why I'm wanting to know what the actual goals with this cam are.
BTW...
Keep your personal pleasure based decisions to yourself
Considering what I've heard about this car as a daily driver and considering the area that this person lives in/around (south riding off of 50 where traffic is absolutely horrendous and stop-and-go is typical), I think the cam may be a bit too large. Personally owning a cam the same relative size of the MS4, I think it could be a big mistake, especially without gears and better heads, which is why I'm wanting to know what the actual goals with this cam are.
BTW...
Keep your personal pleasure based decisions to yourself
i never said i was speaking from personal experience however i have read posts by many of the cam gurus on here (like patrick g and predatorz) and they will tell you straight up that the ms4 is a donkey dick cam and it isn't exactly the best choice for a car that does more driving on the street then on the track. Also here is a thread where lots of people talk about big cams from personal experience https://ls1tech.com/forums/generation-iii-internal-engine/683617-do-any-shops-market-small-cams-anymore-why-not.html . But anyway im sure she will be happy with the power she gets from the cam im just wondering why she would go with a cam that big when im sure she would get just as much satisfaction from a smaller more streetable cam thats all.
Originally Posted by brad8266
I agree with most of whats said about people overcamming their cars but to say a MS4 cam only car will drive like a honda out of the powerband is very naive and misleading.
Originally Posted by quiet_storm98
well i really didn't mean it would literally drive like a honda, i know that was a bad comparison but what i really meant is the car will lose some of its low end pull which would make the car more of a pain to drive on the street, also that cam peaks at 6500 or a lil higher. All im sayin is that she could go with a smaller cam like the torquer v3 or something similar in the 230 range and still have lots of topend pull and more lowend for street driving
Originally Posted by brad8266
About all of the MS4 cam only graphs out there GAIN down low, they dont lose anything.
Originally Posted by Sharpe
What I said in my last post stands.
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Originally Posted by Sharpe
What I said in my last post stands.
Again, what I said stands, and was offered to the OP as a warning, which she already might have known: take what you read on here with a grain of salt unless it comes from someone like Pat G or Pred Z. It was meant more as a general statement than as a direct "swing" at the poster I quoted, though I'm not saying that as an apology. I'm not at all concerned that it got you both fired up.
Now, this is more pointless Internet message board arguing than I've ever engaged in, so I'm out before you two start saying your kung foo is greater than mine.
Now, this is more pointless Internet message board arguing than I've ever engaged in, so I'm out before you two start saying your kung foo is greater than mine.
Excellent choice to remove yourself as you still have yet to offer any sort of insight into this thread.
I'm gonna keep bumpin it up until we figure out what her goals are....
I'm gonna keep bumpin it up until we figure out what her goals are....
Originally Posted by Sharpe
take what you read on here with a grain of salt unless it comes from someone like Pat G or Pred Z.
Originally Posted by Sharpe
This is the biggest problem with LS1Tech and other boards like it. People regergitating third-hand information like it's fact that they know from personal experiance. Even get all worked up about it when you call 'em on it! 
I wish if a person wasn't speaking from personal experience, they would either shut the **** up or write that they either read it or heard it but don't know first hand. There's nothing wrong with saying, "I'm still deciding on my fist cam [or whatever], but from what I've researched on here..."
I wish if a person wasn't speaking from personal experience, they would either shut the **** up or write that they either read it or heard it but don't know first hand. There's nothing wrong with saying, "I'm still deciding on my fist cam [or whatever], but from what I've researched on here..."
Sheesh....I'm gone for a day and all this happens. First off I've done alot of research and this is what I chose for me to be the best. Tim aka Gangreen, my b/f for those other then Jarad that may not know does know his stuff. He even did work on Jarad...quiet storm's car since he first bought it and has done quite a few things. I know of a few people whom have this very same cam with almost the same mods as me and they are more then happy with this cam.
To each their own in their choice of things. One isnt wrong over another. If that was the case we'd all have the same car, same color, same exhaust... etc.
I now drive on 28 as I've moved to Ashburn and will be moving again shortly probably back to Manassas. The fbody is not a daily driver anymore which is why I chose to now put a cam in.
But....if you all must know my ultimate goal is to make it produce everlasting gobstoppers
To each their own in their choice of things. One isnt wrong over another. If that was the case we'd all have the same car, same color, same exhaust... etc.
I now drive on 28 as I've moved to Ashburn and will be moving again shortly probably back to Manassas. The fbody is not a daily driver anymore which is why I chose to now put a cam in.
But....if you all must know my ultimate goal is to make it produce everlasting gobstoppers
Last edited by Flamin' bird; Jul 30, 2007 at 09:13 PM.
Originally Posted by ArcticZ28
I'm gonna keep bumpin it up until we figure out what her goals are....
Originally Posted by Gangreen
Hmmmmm, Why would anyone want to put in a cam????? Ummmmmm.. Ummmmmmmm......Hmmmmmmmmm.
I asked what her goals are, not why someone would want a cam... I'm not quite sure what you were reading, but let me break it down more just in case you aren't understanding what I'm asking...Where do you want the powerband?
Where do you spend most of your time in the powerband?
How high do you plan to rev it?
Do you want it to be a car that you will suffer through on the street in order to make track numbers?
Do you not care about track numbers and just want area under the curve?
Are you willing to do gears in order to compensate for a larger cam?
Are you willing to change springs more often to compensate for a larger cam?
Would you be willing to pay more for a custom grind to specifically fit your needs?
Are you going to be doing heads in the future (aka, do you want to grow into the cam)?
I'm sorry those questions were evident to you, but if you'd like to give a response like an adult, maybe some people in here can chime in and possibly point out some things you may be overlooking, or just in fact reinforce your decision to go with this cam. You really aren't being very conducive to help here, which comes off as quite know-it-all with a response like that. Now, you may think you know it all, I personally don't know if you think that or not. I would hope not and that you are just having a bad/day night and came off a bit wrong so I'm just gonna assume that's what it is because we all know we have those days. I'm just trying to help here. If you don't want any help, that's fine, but you can't blame people for trying.
Originally Posted by Flamin' bird
Jarad...please tell me the correct spelling and I'll remember. I went with this cam because I'd read about it and it seemed like it was a good choice for me.
. Oh and btw we may be moving back to Manassas by Sept 1st!