Where did he say he was speaking from personal experience? He said right off the bat that it's from what he's read on here and in GMHTP. Whether his assumptions/understandings are correct or not is a separate issue. I can see where he would say that a lot of people regret going with bigger cams because a lot of people do. A lot of people that go with smaller cams also regret not going bigger. This is no breakthrough in science here, we all know that and it really should have no bearing on a person's choice in cams if they have properly researched them. We're all giving opinions here.

Considering what I've heard about this car as a daily driver and considering the area that this person lives in/around (south riding off of 50 where traffic is absolutely horrendous and stop-and-go is typical), I think the cam may be a bit too large. Personally owning a cam the same relative size of the MS4, I think it could be a big mistake, especially without gears and better heads, which is why I'm wanting to know what the actual goals with this cam are.

BTW...

Keep your personal pleasure based decisions to yourself

 

I agree with most of whats said about people overcamming their cars but to say a MS4 cam only car will drive like a honda out of the powerband is very naive and misleading.

 

i never said i was speaking from personal experience however i have read posts by many of the cam gurus on here (like patrick g and predatorz) and they will tell you straight up that the ms4 is a donkey dick cam and it isn't exactly the best choice for a car that does more driving on the street then on the track. Also here is a thread where lots of people talk about big cams from personal experience https://ls1tech.com/forums/generation-iii-internal-engine/683617-do-any-shops-market-small-cams-anymore-why-not.html . But anyway im sure she will be happy with the power she gets from the cam im just wondering why she would go with a cam that big when im sure she would get just as much satisfaction from a smaller more streetable cam thats all.

 

well i really didn't mean it would literally drive like a honda, i know that was a bad comparison but what i really meant is the car will lose some of its low end pull which would make the car more of a pain to drive on the street, also that cam peaks at 6500 or a lil higher. All im sayin is that she could go with a smaller cam like the torquer v3 or something similar in the 230 range and still have lots of topend pull and more lowend for street driving

 

About all of the MS4 cam only graphs out there GAIN down low, they dont lose anything.

 

well maybe we aren't lookin at the same graphs, I have a graph in an issue of gmhtp (the test was done at TSP) that shows that the car lost some lowend and didn't really gain over stock until a lil over 3500 rpm and most dynographs that people post on here dont start until 3000 rpm or higher. Also there are people that have this cam with an M6 and STOCK GEARS that have posted about it being very annoying to drive on the street and I have even seen some of the people at TSP tell people not to go with the ms4 due to a loss of lowend. but anyway enough about the ms4 cam im sure she will enjoy it no matter how it drives. So what type of setup are you running, your numbers are basically what i am looking for with my H/C combo.

 

What I said in my last post stands.

 

wtf are you talking about...i never said that i had experience with this cam im just letting her know all the info that i have gathered about the cam that is it. Also just because someone has a cammed car doesn't mean they know everything about every cam and how it will drive. I'm stating my opinions based on what people with this cam have said and have shown thats all. She is also making a decision about the cam from hearing about it as well and based on what she has heard she wants the cam which is fine, however i personally know her and i just believe that once it is all said and done she will be happier with a cam that is slightly smaller and more streetable.

 

Are you going to contribute anything to this thread or did you just come in to bash someone that is actually trying to help? Your posts in this thread have proven you no better than the people who you've talked about. What do you think about this cam? What about her numbers? How can she improve upon them?

 

Again, what I said stands, and was offered to the OP as a warning, which she already might have known: take what you read on here with a grain of salt unless it comes from someone like Pat G or Pred Z. It was meant more as a general statement than as a direct "swing" at the poster I quoted, though I'm not saying that as an apology. I'm not at all concerned that it got you both fired up.

Now, this is more pointless Internet message board arguing than I've ever engaged in, so I'm out before you two start saying your kung foo is greater than mine.

 

Excellent choice to remove yourself as you still have yet to offer any sort of insight into this thread.

I'm gonna keep bumpin it up until we figure out what her goals are....

 

in case you didn't notice in one of my posts i explained that patrick g calls the ms4 a donkey dick cam, but i guess you didn't see that. I dont just get info from anybody most of the info i have gathered have been from good sources like patrick g, predator z, or orangeapeel all of which have ran a number of cams before including huge cams

 

I agree 100%................................

 

Sheesh....I'm gone for a day and all this happens. First off I've done alot of research and this is what I chose for me to be the best. Tim aka Gangreen, my b/f for those other then Jarad that may not know does know his stuff. He even did work on Jarad...quiet storm's car since he first bought it and has done quite a few things. I know of a few people whom have this very same cam with almost the same mods as me and they are more then happy with this cam.

To each their own in their choice of things. One isnt wrong over another. If that was the case we'd all have the same car, same color, same exhaust... etc.

I now drive on 28 as I've moved to Ashburn and will be moving again shortly probably back to Manassas. The fbody is not a daily driver anymore which is why I chose to now put a cam in.

But....if you all must know my ultimate goal is to make it produce everlasting gobstoppers

 

Hmmmmm, Why would anyone want to put in a cam????? Ummmmmm.. Ummmmmmmm......Hmmmmmmmmm.

 

I asked what her goals are, not why someone would want a cam... I'm not quite sure what you were reading, but let me break it down more just in case you aren't understanding what I'm asking...

Where do you want the powerband?
Where do you spend most of your time in the powerband?
How high do you plan to rev it?
Do you want it to be a car that you will suffer through on the street in order to make track numbers?
Do you not care about track numbers and just want area under the curve?
Are you willing to do gears in order to compensate for a larger cam?
Are you willing to change springs more often to compensate for a larger cam?
Would you be willing to pay more for a custom grind to specifically fit your needs?
Are you going to be doing heads in the future (aka, do you want to grow into the cam)?

I'm sorry those questions were evident to you, but if you'd like to give a response like an adult, maybe some people in here can chime in and possibly point out some things you may be overlooking, or just in fact reinforce your decision to go with this cam. You really aren't being very conducive to help here, which comes off as quite know-it-all with a response like that. Now, you may think you know it all, I personally don't know if you think that or not. I would hope not and that you are just having a bad/day night and came off a bit wrong so I'm just gonna assume that's what it is because we all know we have those days. I'm just trying to help here. If you don't want any help, that's fine, but you can't blame people for trying.

 

sorry to start up such a mess i was just wondering why she wanted to go with a cam that size when it may be somewhat of a hassle

 

Jarad...please tell me the correct spelling and I'll remember. I went with this cam because I'd read about it and it seemed like it was a good choice for me.

 

lol its jarrad well anyway here is a thread that is currently going on in the internal seciton. https://ls1tech.com/forums/generation-iii-internal-engine/699619-ms4-vindicator-other-cam.html if you think the cam is for you thats cool...i will be going a lil smaller myself

 

Ok thanks. Now the cam swap is put on hold as the tranny in the honda just went . Oh and btw we may be moving back to Manassas by Sept 1st!