will82

That's an understatement. The c5z06 has solidified its place as a road racing legend. Years of complete scca domination. Viper, not so much.

I personally think Dodge should go solid axle. The Viper has proven its real strength to be brute power and speed. I look at it as the baddest American Muscle car around. I'd love to have one with a solid rear, built auto, big stall, and a stroked out 522 CID.

ChucksZ06

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You are making my point...all you do is point to magazine tests. Those guys cannot drive for the most part and the tests vary widely from magazine to magazine on the identical cars. Vipers have always come with better rubber from the factory than vettes. When you have high horsepower street cars traction is everything and the vettes runflats are bad. The magazines are touting the new 600 hp viper as being slightly quicker than the z06. Look at the rubber difference. The viper tires are much wider and have a softer compound rubber. Put the same tire on the z06 and it will still be faster...cause it is lighter and has a higher revving engine with a wider powerband. I will concede that Chrysler finally did some things to the viper engine that at least let it make power to 6,000 rpm...it is still a hopped up truck engine.

Fadi

thanks for posting the numbers and to proving to us that dyno numbers don't mean ****. I mean, isn't this the same Vet that walked you in the first place? LOL. Dyno racers, I am surprised you have not learned your lesson yet. You have gotten you *** handed to you by a Z06 on numerous occassions and you are still trying to convince everyone that it is a close race. Denial at it's finest right there folks!!

bad2000z

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Oh boy....Killemall's gonna drop the c_ck suck_r bomb soon...

Killemall

Well it's kinda like this....

Put to novices in a c5Z06 and a gen2 viper and the C5Z06 will be a lil faster around the road course..

Put a pro in the C5Z06 and Gen 2 Viper and the gen2 viper will be a lil quicker around the same road course...

Both solid performers but the C5Z06 is easier to drive fast so it gets the nod in my book..

A gen3 SRT Viper is a totally differant game though...Very good handler, and will outclass the c5Z06..And half the time the c6Z06...

Killemall

Well you can talk rubber all day and dis and dat..

The bottom line is MPH..

The 2008 Viper has trapped 1-3 mph higher than the C6Z06 in every comparison so far..So it's a little faster stock for stock in the 1/4 mile and a lot faster to 140 plus mph...

The C6Z06 is bad ***..The Vipers just a lil badder

Killemall

Yes he did walk me in our last encounter..

But we agreed that it may have been because I was starting in second gear while he chose 3rd gear at 70 mph rolls...

He pulled 2 cars on me from 70-140 mph..

We'll go again both starting in third gear from 70-140 mph..

After doing some testing Ive found that eliminating the very quick shift from second to third and just starting in third gear is significantly faster and Im pretty confident that the runs will be much closer now that we'll both be running on an equal playing field starting in third gear at 70 mph...

But a wins a win and I take nonthing from him. He won fair and square on our last encounter. Ill simply be trying the new method of getting my rpm's up and starting in third to eliminate that shift.

But from a dead stop...My moneys on me...I havent even let out tire pressure or had any prep and I ran the 11.9 off a 1.97 60 ft...

On our next encounter we will be using VHT and I will let out the tire pressure..

I feel pretty confident that Ill be running solid 11.7-12.0's in these conditions.....At 120-123 mph

pdd

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i think the c6 Z will beat an 03 viper 99.9 percent of the time

Fadi

Who cares if you win from a dig due to driver experience? Where is the bragging rights in that? If you were to race an experienced driver from a dig, you would get your *** handed to you. Race from 50-160 and you will be 4 cars back, atleast.

52172

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You got that right 100 percent of the time

mbrownin

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I call on this one.

52172

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Fadi

Haha, you can call BS on 95% of Killemall's posts. He is just another Viper owner pissed off that his pretty machine (It sure is pretty, I will give you that) can't stack up in performance to a mass produced Vet.

Here is Killemall when thinking about how much faster a Z06 is than the Viper ------>

52172

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he doesn't have to feel so bad since he spent at least 10-20k less than a brand new c6z06.

Killemall

I can show you plenty reviews of same day same driver same road course were the SRT10 was a lil faster or tied the C6Z06 around the track...

Shorely Im not the only one who reads these reviews...

FADI...Do you deny that the SRT10 has pulled faster lap times in a few magazines?

No only did it equal or beat the C6Z06..But the drivers said they felt much more at ease pulling the lap times in the SRT10 than the "twitchy" Z06...

52172

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twitchey is a magazine term bro

Please explain of such a test where they compared an old school 03 srt10 against a c6z06

Killemall

Again..Ive trapped 122 mph in 75 degree weather at 1000 ft elevation...Not to shabby IMHO

At sea level on a 60 degree night thats a solid 124 mph trapp...So you aint hurting my feelings in the leaste man..

If I really cared that much about a tenth or mph, for what I paid for my viper I could have EASILY got a 2004 C5Z06 with a supercharger pushing 530 rwhp and trapping high 120's- low 130's....And had plenty of change left over....

Could have gotten a 1997 GTS viper with a ROE blower pushing 600 rwhp and trapping low-mid 130's and had a lil bit of change left over....

See my point....The SRT10 isnt only about speed to me..It was my DREAM car...

11.7 at 123 back in 2003 was simply amazing to me..I remember comparing that number in the Motor trend ET/MPH section to all the other cars and it was one of the fastest cars on the page...That dream never left me man

52172

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Right on cool dream

Killemall

Sometimes people are just unrealistic though...

the c6Z06 has one mag that ran the 11.6 at 127 and everyone quotes it like they all can run that....

The SRT10's have two differant mags that ran 11.7 at 123 mph but you guys all act like they run 12.2 at 118..

The C6Z06 handles better in a mag and you say it's a better handler than the SRT10..

the SRT10 handles better in a mag and you say it's because the driver sucked or yada yada yada..


It's gotta go both ways man...

Killemall

Here the last review of a Gen 3 SRT10 vrs a C6Z06 by popular mechanics...

They were very close in the 1/4 mile and the Viper was faster at willow springs...

http://www.popularmechanics.com/auto...s/4217681.html

Im not making this crap up...SRT10's are just s fast around road courses as the C6Z06..Sometimes even faster...


As for the 2003 SRT10 vert...It's the same exact car as the 2006's in every single wayy other than the roof on the coupes..

because of the weight differance..

SRT vert =3380
SRT coupe= 3440

The verts are actually a little faster ( were talking like a tenth and mph MAX)

While the coupes are a lil more rigid and a lil faster around a road course

My particular SRT10 vert has a full aftermarket roll bar and is plenty stiff