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Old Jan 18, 2008 | 09:56 PM
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Default 394rwhp SMall cam only!!!!

I am very pleased with the numbers I put down tonight with my comp xer 224/228 581/588. NO heads. THe car feels great on the street. I was going to put a cut out in before, if I had maybe I could have hit 400. Touque is pretty steady as well. Who says small cams cant make good power.
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Old Jan 19, 2008 | 06:44 AM
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Nice numbers. How's the driveability of the 224/228? I was thinking of doing a 224/224 or 224/228 for my vette but I want it to drive "nearly" stock yet rip in the upper rpms. My T/A's 233/239 driveability wasn't very good.
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Old Jan 19, 2008 | 07:38 AM
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OP...Great numbers for that "little" cam.

I had a 224/224 and it drove like stock after the tune...it is all in the tune.
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Old Jan 19, 2008 | 09:49 AM
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I dont mean to bust anyones bubble, but many of us made 390rwhp plus in 2001 with the MTI T1 and B1 cams on Ed Wright mail order tunes. Your #'s are good, but they are also expected..
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Old Jan 19, 2008 | 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by VINCE
I dont mean to bust anyones bubble, but many of us made 390rwhp plus in 2001 with the MTI T1 and B1 cams on Ed Wright mail order tunes. Your #'s are good, but they are also expected..
Vince why is that? I mean old school lobes, LS1 intakes, crap headers-I mean it seams like everyone has forgotten how good those old school cams woked with such simple combo's.

Bro-I don't want to take anything away from your results.
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Old Jan 20, 2008 | 12:18 AM
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350rwtq@3k gotta love that, looks like it was still making power at 6100rpm, should have pulled it to 6500. Congrats!!!
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Old Jan 20, 2008 | 12:30 AM
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who tuned it? that AFR looks kickass

nice numbers btw
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Old Jan 20, 2008 | 07:49 AM
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Vince why is that? I mean old school lobes, LS1 intakes, crap headers-I mean it seams like everyone has forgotten how good those old school cams woked with such simple combo's.

Bro-I don't want to take anything away from your results.
What we see is so many not following the trend. Nineball would post a package he tested for MTI and the #'s were easily duplicated nationwide. Some have adopted this bigger is better theory and that only works if you have a really good tuner to maintain driveability. I also think people dont realize this is the internet and everything you read is not true. The LSX packages have come a long way. The basics have already been done for all of us many years ago. The tuning is much better than it was when Nineball tested the T1 cam many years ago. I tell people all the time when they are looking for a combo to not try and re-invent the wheel. There are a lot of repeatable packages out there, but for some reason a newbie thinks they can re-discover America. Unless you have money to blow you will either end up with terrible #'s or the same #'s the old combos have already displayed. I see it time and time again. FMS built me a 408ci MANY years ago that put down 564rwhp/518rwtq in my old Camaro SS. I duplicated those #'s on several local dynos. The car ran on 93 octane with no issues and if I knew I was going out to race or dyno I would put 2 to 3 gallons of 100 octane to protect my investment just in case I got some bad gas. My FMS package was duplicated by FMS many times over and the #'s even got better in time. I can go on and on about what works, but I stress listen to the vendors when it comes to building a combo that works. They feed their family via making us happy. They have a stake in making sure your car produces the number and win races.
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What we see is so many not following the trend. Nineball would post a package he tested for MTI and the #'s were easily duplicated nationwide. Some have adopted this bigger is better theory and that only works if you have a really good tuner to maintain driveability. I also think people dont realize this is the internet and everything you read is not true. The LSX packages have come a long way. The basics have already been done for all of us many years ago. The tuning is much better than it was when Nineball tested the T1 cam many years ago. I tell people all the time when they are looking for a combo to not try and re-invent the wheel. There are a lot of repeatable packages out there, but for some reason a newbie thinks they can re-discover America. Unless you have money to blow you will either end up with terrible #'s or the same #'s the old combos have already displayed. I see it time and time again. FMS built me a 408ci MANY years ago that put down 564rwhp/518rwtq in my old Camaro SS. I duplicated those #'s on several local dynos. The car ran on 93 octane with no issues and if I knew I was going out to race or dyno I would put 2 to 3 gallons of 100 octane to protect my investment just in case I got some bad gas. My FMS package was duplicated by FMS many times over and the #'s even got better in time. I can go on and on about what works, but I stress listen to the vendors when it comes to building a combo that works. They feed their family via making us happy. They have a stake in making sure your car produces the number and win races.
great post! and very true statement!
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Old Jan 20, 2008 | 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by VINCE
What we see is so many not following the trend. Nineball would post a package he tested for MTI and the #'s were easily duplicated nationwide. Some have adopted this bigger is better theory and that only works if you have a really good tuner to maintain driveability. I also think people dont realize this is the internet and everything you read is not true. The LSX packages have come a long way. The basics have already been done for all of us many years ago. The tuning is much better than it was when Nineball tested the T1 cam many years ago. I tell people all the time when they are looking for a combo to not try and re-invent the wheel. There are a lot of repeatable packages out there, but for some reason a newbie thinks they can re-discover America. Unless you have money to blow you will either end up with terrible #'s or the same #'s the old combos have already displayed. I see it time and time again. FMS built me a 408ci MANY years ago that put down 564rwhp/518rwtq in my old Camaro SS. I duplicated those #'s on several local dynos. The car ran on 93 octane with no issues and if I knew I was going out to race or dyno I would put 2 to 3 gallons of 100 octane to protect my investment just in case I got some bad gas. My FMS package was duplicated by FMS many times over and the #'s even got better in time. I can go on and on about what works, but I stress listen to the vendors when it comes to building a combo that works. They feed their family via making us happy. They have a stake in making sure your car produces the number and win races.
Well said! I made 399rwhp @ 386rwtq with a TR224 112 back in early 03 on stock 241s. I followed a well used combo with all the bolt ons and had a good tuner tune the car. Drove like stock with big power for a small cam. Too many here way overcam their engines and lose out on power as they have awful DCR's and cam specs based on choice and not tailored to what their heads flow. It's all about a sum of parts working together. Combo!
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Old Jan 20, 2008 | 07:04 PM
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Nice numbers man. Congats.
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Then why do vendors sell big cams and "swear" they are "better" than their own smaller cams? I bet my new cam won't "beat" my old little 224/228 581 cam.
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Old Jan 20, 2008 | 09:31 PM
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Thanks guys for the comments.
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Old Jan 20, 2008 | 11:52 PM
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what rpm are you shifting at?
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nice numbers man...
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Sorry op, great numbers BTW. Getting it done for sure.
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Anything can make good power on a dynojet(lol) What's the 1/4mi times?
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Originally Posted by mike c.
Anything can make good power on a dynojet(lol) What's the 1/4mi times?
Uh sense I just got it tuned in friday and its in the middle of the winter when do you think I had a chance to run it?
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Originally Posted by Eatinstang4life
Uh sense I just got it tuned in friday and its in the middle of the winter when do you think I had a chance to run it?
You mean you don't take it to the track when it's 20 degrees outside?
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What made u go with this cam?
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