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Old 05-14-2008, 02:11 AM
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good numbers will see what my set up does this weeknd when i get it tuned
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Originally Posted by sidewayz28
lol...PROTEEEINNN .. HGH
JAGER BOMBS! JAGER BOMBS!
Ha ha.
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Way to go mikey
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Originally Posted by sidewayz28
lol...PROTEEEINNN .. HGH
JAGER BOMBS! JAGER BOMBS!
LOL, if thats for me how did you know I like Jagermeister ?? LOL.

No jagerbombs, just straight shots.

DUH, forgot what I put in my profile. LOL.
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The intake runners were ported, not the TB inlet. It has an under drive pulley but no EWP. CR is 11:1. The TFS heads with this new cam profile is killer combination.
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Originally Posted by mikey
The intake runners were ported, not the TB inlet. It has an under drive pulley but no EWP. CR is 11:1. The TFS heads with this new cam profile is killer combination.
Thanks for clarifying for the meat head that the TB opening is NOT "ported."

Can you share with us how much you milled the heads?
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Yeah, I'm interested in duplicating this and if the heads aren't box stock what needs to be done to them to replicate this.

This is like the third or fourth different shop that has recently posted 490-505 hp with ~450 ft/lbs of torque from the TFS heads and cam combos.

I already have a Vengeance ported FAST, UD pulley, QTP longtubes with ORY so I figure i'm a head/cam swap away from nice numbers.
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What ICL was this cam installed on?
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tfs heads are whats up!!! these and AFR are killer heads! its a good time to be a hot rodder
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Originally Posted by ATLSS
Thanks for clarifying for the meat head that the TB opening is NOT "ported."

Can you share with us how much you milled the heads?
So they (Mikey and company) chose not to port the tb opening. Some sponsors do to match the opening to a larger tb. Case in point being Ron @ Vengeance. My opening was opened up to be matched to a larger tb, along with my intake ports being matched to my heads I am running, and the runners were cleaned up as well.

At any rate you are a C**K $uck*r.
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Originally Posted by mikey
The intake runners were ported, not the TB inlet. It has an under drive pulley but no EWP. CR is 11:1. The TFS heads with this new cam profile is killer combination.
Do you feel an ewp would help you to get to 510 rwhp ??

I know that ud pullys and ewp's don't really "ADD" power, they just free up power that is lost due to parasitic drag. I did like the improvement I saw on gas mileage from the pully and ewp. The motor seemed to wind up much quicker as well.

As far as your 11:1 compression, would there be any advantage to running higher compression ?? If not why ??

sorry, lots of q's for ya.
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I'm sure ptv clearance was a deciding factor in the compression. They would have to mill the heads or run a thinner gasket to bump it up.
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Originally Posted by JScamaro
I'm sure ptv clearance was a deciding factor in the compression. They would have to mill the heads or run a thinner gasket to bump it up.

I considered that, but I was wondering if they could have milled further, or run a thinner gasket to boost compression. I thought maybe they had set out hoping to make 500 rwhp and if they didn't hit the target then maybe they held back a bit knowing it could do more. Sorry if it reads like a rambler.
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More compression is not always the answer.

Maybe they decided to go with the right compression rather than the most.
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Originally Posted by The Alchemist
Yeah, I'm interested in duplicating this and if the heads aren't box stock what needs to be done to them to replicate this.

This is like the third or fourth different shop that has recently posted 490-505 hp with ~450 ft/lbs of torque from the TFS heads and cam combos.

I already have a Vengeance ported FAST, UD pulley, QTP longtubes with ORY so I figure i'm a head/cam swap away from nice numbers.
These are out of the box heads. We did not touch them.
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I've personally never seen an EWP show any gains on the dyno however, they run cooler temps at the track so that is worth something on some engines. I could have actually run a thinner head gasket but the cost of Cometic gaskets and studs would have put the customer over budget. May next time I don't think 510-515 is out of the question with this combo and close to 12:1 SCR.

Originally Posted by allngn_c5
Do you feel an ewp would help you to get to 510 rwhp ??

I know that ud pullys and ewp's don't really "ADD" power, they just free up power that is lost due to parasitic drag. I did like the improvement I saw on gas mileage from the pully and ewp. The motor seemed to wind up much quicker as well.

As far as your 11:1 compression, would there be any advantage to running higher compression ?? If not why ??

sorry, lots of q's for ya.
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Originally Posted by mikey
I've personally never seen an EWP show any gains on the dyno however, they run cooler temps at the track so that is worth something on some engines. I could have actually run a thinner head gasket but the cost of Cometic gaskets and studs would have put the customer over budget. May next time I don't think 510-515 is out of the question with this combo and close to 12:1 SCR.
Thanks for the comment Mikey. Someone else stated more compression isn't always the answer, and he is right, but I felt after looking over your build here that more compression may have upped the results without hurting anything. Apparently you think it would too. Cost is always a factor.

AWESOME RESULTS !!!!
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great numbers . the 346 can make good power na without spending a whole lot of money .
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Sweet numbers!
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Nice to know that these were out of the box heads. I have studs already, and wouldn't mind dropping extra coin on a thinner head gasket, something in the 0.045" range to bump compression but at the same time cut down the quench distance which is good for fighting detonation.

Mikey, is this cam something anyone can buy from you, or is it an installed only cam?


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