What are mild cammed 383s putting down these days???
07-25-2008, 12:31 PM
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Take the skirt off.....LOL
I think your numbers/goals are right on....depending on the dyno you should be 440-450 RWHP with an early power peak and a fat power curve. Your RWTQ numbers are more easily attainable....in fact Im thinking possibly closer to 460 with this set-up but once again it depends on the dyno.
I will have the results of a "medium" sized cam 383 in about 3-4 weeks with ported 205's and all the trimmings (my former shortblock that I freshened and rebuilt for a customer with his 205 heads that I reworked and a 234/238 hyd. cam on a 114 LSA). It should be very street friendly (responsive and smooth) but I'm hoping for 500RWHP+ / 480RWTQ+ as we are crossing most "T"'s and dotting most of the "I"s (the right induction, headers, clutch/flywheel, etc.). The only thing we skimped on was the electric water pump because this is literally the owners daily driver and he was concerned it might poop out on him one day.
Will update you guys as soon as I have the numbers....
Scott, get that car to the dyno....it might surprise you. I bet the smallish cam feels great right off idle.
Regards,
Tony
07-25-2008, 02:21 PM
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Valvetrain noise?
Take the skirt off.....LOL
I think your numbers/goals are right on....depending on the dyno you should be 440-450 RWHP with an early power peak and a fat power curve. Your RWTQ numbers are more easily attainable....in fact Im thinking possibly closer to 460 with this set-up but once again it depends on the dyno.
I will have the results of a "medium" sized cam 383 in about 3-4 weeks with ported 205's and all the trimmings (my former shortblock that I freshened and rebuilt for a customer with his 205 heads that I reworked and a 234/238 hyd. cam on a 114 LSA). It should be very street friendly (responsive and smooth) but I'm hoping for 500RWHP+ / 480RWTQ+ as we are crossing most "T"'s and dotting most of the "I"s (the right induction, headers, clutch/flywheel, etc.). The only thing we skimped on was the electric water pump because this is literally the owners daily driver and he was concerned it might poop out on him one day.
Will update you guys as soon as I have the numbers....
Scott, get that car to the dyno....it might surprise you. I bet the smallish cam feels great right off idle.
Regards,
Tony
Take the skirt off.....LOL
I think your numbers/goals are right on....depending on the dyno you should be 440-450 RWHP with an early power peak and a fat power curve. Your RWTQ numbers are more easily attainable....in fact Im thinking possibly closer to 460 with this set-up but once again it depends on the dyno.
I will have the results of a "medium" sized cam 383 in about 3-4 weeks with ported 205's and all the trimmings (my former shortblock that I freshened and rebuilt for a customer with his 205 heads that I reworked and a 234/238 hyd. cam on a 114 LSA). It should be very street friendly (responsive and smooth) but I'm hoping for 500RWHP+ / 480RWTQ+ as we are crossing most "T"'s and dotting most of the "I"s (the right induction, headers, clutch/flywheel, etc.). The only thing we skimped on was the electric water pump because this is literally the owners daily driver and he was concerned it might poop out on him one day.
Will update you guys as soon as I have the numbers....
Scott, get that car to the dyno....it might surprise you. I bet the smallish cam feels great right off idle.
Regards,
Tony
Keep us posted,as my cam is about the same size..Its a pat g 232/238 6xx 6xx 111lsa..I have tsp 5.3 heads and thinking of doing a 383 myself with the cam I have but an aftermarket casting..Not that there is anything wrong with the heads I have now(put down 435rwhp in an A4),but I think if I can do better with an aftermarket casting I will...I see alot of stick guys do 500rwhp with a 346ci with the top 3 heads,so it has me wondering what can an A4 do with one of those heads and a 383,cuz dont think I can get a whole lot more if I stay with a 346 cu...dont think it will do 500rw,but I'm curious...
To the op sorry for the thread hijack,but just wan to see more 383 builds out there..
08-04-2008, 08:59 AM
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I have a 383 from SDPC also. about the same setup. Lingenfelter ls6 heads, ls6 intake, ported TB, EWP, only running an alternator on the pulley. Going with TSP 1 7/8" headers also. I have a TREX cam in it right now, but I am considering pulling it out and having something better spec'd for it. It will be a TH-400 car, 3800 Yank converter w alot of weight out of it. Not a daily driver. To and from the track/car show. Car is not together yet so should I swap cams now???
08-11-2008, 06:15 PM
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11.6 and i assure you its dead on SAE
its a bell curve, some are on the low end, some in the middle and i am on the high end. i didnt skimp on any parts, i bought the best out there period..
look at the 346's that make 500 rwhp is that BS...call ecs and tell them that.
its a bell curve, some are on the low end, some in the middle and i am on the high end. i didnt skimp on any parts, i bought the best out there period..
look at the 346's that make 500 rwhp is that BS...call ecs and tell them that.
08-11-2008, 10:09 PM
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If you've got 500+ rwhp you should be EASY in the 10's. I think that dyno that your car was run on is VERY liberal.
Those 346's that are touching 500 rwhp are NOT easy combo's, nor are they anything near a daily driver type of vehicle. Massive cam for a 346, terrible driveability, high compression, usually solid roller. Is your vehicle a solid roller??? (no).
What was your trap speed?
Those 346's that are touching 500 rwhp are NOT easy combo's, nor are they anything near a daily driver type of vehicle. Massive cam for a 346, terrible driveability, high compression, usually solid roller. Is your vehicle a solid roller??? (no).
What was your trap speed?
08-12-2008, 12:26 AM
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If you've got 500+ rwhp you should be EASY in the 10's. I think that dyno that your car was run on is VERY liberal.
Those 346's that are touching 500 rwhp are NOT easy combo's, nor are they anything near a daily driver type of vehicle. Massive cam for a 346, terrible driveability, high compression, usually solid roller. Is your vehicle a solid roller??? (no).
What was your trap speed?
Those 346's that are touching 500 rwhp are NOT easy combo's, nor are they anything near a daily driver type of vehicle. Massive cam for a 346, terrible driveability, high compression, usually solid roller. Is your vehicle a solid roller??? (no).
What was your trap speed?
08-12-2008, 08:12 AM
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this is a classic example of someone who talks bs, do me a favor call Carmen at the Vette Dr's and tell him, he is full of ****, tell him that all of the cars he builds and tunes dont make the power that their old 248 and their new sae programmed dyno dynamics are showing..
jealously is a bitch aint it??
look at my bottom end- built by lingenfelter- Lunati crank= $2000, Oliver Rods 1700, je pistions/rings 1000 not to mention their cost to do the machine work and assembly.
new parts were $7400 from vengeance + 1100 parts from Vett DR= meziere, ati underdrive and their fee for assembly and tuning, they aint cheap.
jealously is a bitch aint it??
look at my bottom end- built by lingenfelter- Lunati crank= $2000, Oliver Rods 1700, je pistions/rings 1000 not to mention their cost to do the machine work and assembly.
new parts were $7400 from vengeance + 1100 parts from Vett DR= meziere, ati underdrive and their fee for assembly and tuning, they aint cheap.
If you've got 500+ rwhp you should be EASY in the 10's. I think that dyno that your car was run on is VERY liberal.
Those 346's that are touching 500 rwhp are NOT easy combo's, nor are they anything near a daily driver type of vehicle. Massive cam for a 346, terrible driveability, high compression, usually solid roller. Is your vehicle a solid roller??? (no).
What was your trap speed?
Those 346's that are touching 500 rwhp are NOT easy combo's, nor are they anything near a daily driver type of vehicle. Massive cam for a 346, terrible driveability, high compression, usually solid roller. Is your vehicle a solid roller??? (no).
What was your trap speed?
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08-12-2008, 08:38 AM
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ECS built this car OVER 1 YEAR AGO, i dont see any reason they cant duplicate this package over and over again....call them and ask.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlU4iZxH4lQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlU4iZxH4lQ
08-12-2008, 10:35 AM
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this is a classic example of someone who talks bs, do me a favor call Carmen at the Vette Dr's and tell him, he is full of ****, tell him that all of the cars he builds and tunes dont make the power that their old 248 and their new sae programmed dyno dynamics are showing..
jealously is a bitch aint it??
look at my bottom end- built by lingenfelter- Lunati crank= $2000, Oliver Rods 1700, je pistions/rings 1000 not to mention their cost to do the machine work and assembly.
new parts were $7400 from vengeance + 1100 parts from Vett DR= meziere, ati underdrive and their fee for assembly and tuning, they aint cheap.
jealously is a bitch aint it??
look at my bottom end- built by lingenfelter- Lunati crank= $2000, Oliver Rods 1700, je pistions/rings 1000 not to mention their cost to do the machine work and assembly.
new parts were $7400 from vengeance + 1100 parts from Vett DR= meziere, ati underdrive and their fee for assembly and tuning, they aint cheap.
Jealous? ..... not at all, I've got a decent setup myself
Once again, what was your trap speed?
I'm not knocking your setup, I'm just saying that those numbers are a bit on the high end, even for a PERFECTLY well built 383, and even if I owned that 383, I would be skeptical and would take it to another dyno to get a comparison. Better yet, check track times to get a better idea of how much power you're making.
08-12-2008, 11:43 AM
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i just got the car back last wednesday, i planned on taking the car to NED this past sat but they had Jet Cars Under The Stars along with pro mods etc...when i did run 2x a week with my slow 9.0 167 turbo busa making 274 rwhp on a dyno (that i am sure was reading way high- i probabably only made 150 rwhp...lol) you would only get one run at the strip during a full day of racing or should i say sitting and waiting...that is why i didnt go..next chance is wed and they are calling for thunderstorms...i cant change the weather...
i tell you what..how about sending me 60 bucks via paypal and i will go to dez racing and have them do 3 pulls, if i dont generate the same +_ 1-2 i will refund your money. i know what a fast car feels like, i went 11.20's @ 121 in my buick t type 9 yrs ago, i ran 10.80's @ 125 in my vortech mustang back at the motorsport nat's in 92-93, i hit 218 on the street gps verified with my turbo busa, ran low 9's all day long with dial ins 9.0's @ 167....bottom line this aint my first rodeo...of course if your so shure that the car isnt making the power maybe you could bring your car out to RI/CT and we could set something up on the street...
i tell you what..how about sending me 60 bucks via paypal and i will go to dez racing and have them do 3 pulls, if i dont generate the same +_ 1-2 i will refund your money. i know what a fast car feels like, i went 11.20's @ 121 in my buick t type 9 yrs ago, i ran 10.80's @ 125 in my vortech mustang back at the motorsport nat's in 92-93, i hit 218 on the street gps verified with my turbo busa, ran low 9's all day long with dial ins 9.0's @ 167....bottom line this aint my first rodeo...of course if your so shure that the car isnt making the power maybe you could bring your car out to RI/CT and we could set something up on the street...
08-12-2008, 11:58 AM
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did you click on the link to you tube that i posted? probably not, but if you did you sure didnt read the posts.. you will see my questions i asked the owner (my user name 9secondsflat is the same as on this board)
any track times yet? mph/ et?
Gr8whiteZ (1 month ago) Show Hide Marked as spam Reply THe car has gone 10.92@126 so far, but depending upon the launch I saw trap speeds from 125 to 130. So there is more to be had, but I just haven't put it together yet. The stock 3.42 rear is kind of killing short times and mph but I'm considering popping in a 4:10 this fall to see if I can get it into the 10.70's - 60's. We'll see!!!
a 383 makes on average about 30 hp and 50-60 ft/lbs torque more than a 346. i have dozens of emails and several hours of phone calls to owners- not just venders who use the tfs 215 heads and similar cams to what i have. far too many people just buy the hot part of the day and their package is not a balenced package- the parts dont work well together...i understand that your new to this speed stuff, i wish i was 25 again...do yourself a favor dont doubt everyone there actually are people in this world that dont lie, dont cheat and dont steal.
Call ECS, speak with them- the cam in this 346 is not anything radical, its a roller cam not solid roller. you can buy the package with a click of the button..link below..i can assure you that any stock bottom end with this package is going and their assembly/tune will be very, very similar.
http://www.eastcoastsupercharging.com/CamandHeads.html
while your at it here is another stock bottom end 346 with TFS 215 making over 500 rwhp..but i guess he is full of **** also
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OI73M1yPdFU
any track times yet? mph/ et?
Gr8whiteZ (1 month ago) Show Hide Marked as spam Reply THe car has gone 10.92@126 so far, but depending upon the launch I saw trap speeds from 125 to 130. So there is more to be had, but I just haven't put it together yet. The stock 3.42 rear is kind of killing short times and mph but I'm considering popping in a 4:10 this fall to see if I can get it into the 10.70's - 60's. We'll see!!!
a 383 makes on average about 30 hp and 50-60 ft/lbs torque more than a 346. i have dozens of emails and several hours of phone calls to owners- not just venders who use the tfs 215 heads and similar cams to what i have. far too many people just buy the hot part of the day and their package is not a balenced package- the parts dont work well together...i understand that your new to this speed stuff, i wish i was 25 again...do yourself a favor dont doubt everyone there actually are people in this world that dont lie, dont cheat and dont steal.
Call ECS, speak with them- the cam in this 346 is not anything radical, its a roller cam not solid roller. you can buy the package with a click of the button..link below..i can assure you that any stock bottom end with this package is going and their assembly/tune will be very, very similar.
http://www.eastcoastsupercharging.com/CamandHeads.html
while your at it here is another stock bottom end 346 with TFS 215 making over 500 rwhp..but i guess he is full of **** also
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OI73M1yPdFU