RedRallyeZ

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are you taking driveablility into this equation? cause THAT would be an interesting disscussion, fast on the track and skreet, AND pull through a mcdonalds, order some mcnuggets in the drive thru with the air conditioning while playing the stereo

if that was the case, N2O all the way, drives like a kitten, then flip a switch and its a tiger.

allbaugh_04

iTrader: (6)

no, the op says NOTHING about driveability...i'm not trying to be a dick, but you guys need to read the post

RaggedRides

iTrader: (8)

So you're allowing that different combinations will bring drastically different curves, however, peak levels will be the same? You mentioned power numbers, but said nothing about the torque these things make. You've got to get somewhat technicle because each one will act completely different.

allbaugh_04

iTrader: (6)

I'm glad you brought that up. I'm trying to prove a point that an N/A car with the same power (RWHP) as a FI car will pull harder (better ET). I think an N/A car is capable of making much more power under the curve and result in a better (ET). I'm trying to see who would all agree with this statement. Hence I made the poll and tried not to be biased to get an honest opinion. Looks like some couldn't read the op and i'm not sure what was so hard to understand. All the cars have 500rwhp, which should win in a drag race?

The discussion has everything to do with power curves, cuz that's what really matters. And that's the point I am trying to prove with someone.

Sure we could get real technical and say each engine is different. Some need FI and some do great N/A...i think LS motors make great power N/A others may not and thats what i meant about getting "technical"

SOMbitch

iTrader: (8)

Haha. My bad on the grammatical error. I of course meant "holes"

krazy4

iTrader: (5)

Nitrous cars ftmfw!!!

BYE RICE

iTrader: (2)

A 500Hp NA


I assume the discussion is limited to stock cubes..
500 hp NA is much easier today than when these cars were 1st built.
It's also more impressive to accomplish.
If done right, you get a car that sounds wicked, yet drives OK & gets decent milege.
The power is there all the time but without altering the basic arctecture of the car.
Nitrous is good until the bottle is empty..

Ironxcross

iTrader: (8)

Fast doesn't care about impressive. Fast cares about what works. I say nitrous or supercharger.

Rubrignitz

Agreed, nitrous and built motor. no contest. depends on "when" you spray though with n2o car.. centrifugal s/c and nitrous is a KILLER combo!

Spray for the low rpm torque boost then the centri kicks.. turbo guys do the same thing spray to alleviate the lag.

TheTugBoat

My vote is for the nitrous car, especially if you're spraying off the line...granted it hooks.

180ls1

iTrader: (4)

wow nitrous is that far behind? that is not right, nitrous car should be the quickest. even though a roots blower car makes great flat useable torque it will not be well above the hp rating like a nitrous car will be, in most cases, the same will be true with All motor cars. Most of them dont make lots more peak tq then hp.

Rubrignitz

nitrous makes torque, and low rpm torque. low rpm torque wins races.

Rubrignitz

This is what happens when you're NA and you spray too early. With a centri s/c the S197 would have taken the Mach 1/Procharger F1A, built motor and 20+ lbs of boost.

Centri s/c high rpm power and spray (w/ strong rods/pistons).. perfect combo IMO.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRgenanUtOg

dshag

iTrader: (1)

i think nitrous would win off the line if you could hook with all the low end torque and turbo would trap higher...just my thought because of the torque curve. alot would depend how high you spin the engine too with the turbo. nothing feels as good as having a na engine tho

shoemike

iTrader: (25)

All 4 cars have the same power,
then I would take the N/A one.

78novacaine

iTrader: (2)

and what do you think a twin screw or roots blower does?

if you had say a maggie setup making 500 rwhp at its peak, it would most likely be making 450+ ft lbs anything above 2500 rpm or so

AWD_Launch

People would drag diesel if that were the case.

BigBronco

iTrader: (2)

Only matters in the goal at hand.

BigBronco

iTrader: (2)

It is quite apparent that you have no clue about this subject.

As stated, we would be drag racing the **** out of diesels with 21 speed transmissions and other items to take advantage of that power band.

Overall power under the curve and Power past peak is what you want.

Spinning RPM is the last thing we want to do when it comes to motor life, but in essence, it is something we HAVE to do. We had a great discussion about this in the 500 cubic inch ERL thread that was made a month or two ago.

Think of Piston Speed, Ring reverberation, valvetrain, etc.

BYE RICE

iTrader: (2)

So where do I find a full weight(3500,no driver) nitrous assisted six speed car making a verifiable 500 RWHP to run against?
Let's do a myth buster.