LS1 vs 5.0 Cobra
03-29-2009, 12:16 PM
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a buddy of mine has been pestering me for quite some time now to race him and i was just wondering who would win between me in my 2000 Camaro Ls1 stock with 2200 stall and 3:73 in the rear vs. a bone stock 1993 Mustang Cobra 5.0. we will be running on a eighth mile track. both our cars are naturally aspirated. i need some honest opinions here cuz he wants to do 100 dollars a pass. he just wont leave me alone and i am tired of hearing it so i am ready to step up to the plate and knock him the f out of the park!
03-29-2009, 01:32 PM
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Take it from an X mustang guy LS1 hands down. A 94-95 mustang isn't even worth talking about unless its supercharged. Fox mustangs are more of a threat simply because there lighter and have much better computers. But against an LS1, he's toast. Take his money, laugh in his face, kiss his girl in the mouth and give him the finger as you leave.
03-29-2009, 01:35 PM
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This 5.0l is a complete joke for a LS1 un less he has boltons,gears and nitrous or H/C
Either he's a complete dumbass or something smell fishy for 100$ Inspect/hear the car.
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03-29-2009, 01:42 PM
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Even a complete bolt on 5.0 mustang NA is still struggling to hit 300hp with the best HCI around. The only way a fox mustang is gonna hang with a stock F-body is if its stroked, sprayed or supercharged. Been there done that. If I had half the money in my F-body I put into my last stang my camaro would be a 10 second car all day long, no question. Im kicking myself to this day when I think about it.
03-29-2009, 01:44 PM
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I'm also a former mustang guy, had several fox body's. From experience I know you will win which is why I made the switch to the LS1, got sick of losing to them. My vortech supercharged 92 even had trouble beating a bolt on LS1. You will smoke him for sure.
03-29-2009, 03:50 PM
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since we basically gave him all the info already ill give mustang vs ls1 situation i had last week.
t-tops off goin to get some beer with my buddy and his girl in the back. a new 3v GT with stripes everywhere lol HIDs and at minimum a catback. (most likely full exhaust and cai). we slow down to about 40mph he honks three times throw in second and boom. i 3/4 car length on him and get about a car and a half by 85mph. Im bone stock btw.
t-tops off goin to get some beer with my buddy and his girl in the back. a new 3v GT with stripes everywhere lol HIDs and at minimum a catback. (most likely full exhaust and cai). we slow down to about 40mph he honks three times throw in second and boom. i 3/4 car length on him and get about a car and a half by 85mph. Im bone stock btw.
03-29-2009, 06:03 PM
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http://www.1993cobra.com/data.htm
http://www.cargurus.com/Cars/Specs-t...amaro-Z28.html
http://www.cargurus.com/Cars/Specs-c...-Corvette.html
03-29-2009, 06:08 PM
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An LS1 is an LS1 is an LS1......
They are all the same. Its just a rating so the original C5 owners didn't flip a bitch about the lowly Camaro having the same power as their Corvette.
They are all the same. Its just a rating so the original C5 owners didn't flip a bitch about the lowly Camaro having the same power as their Corvette.
03-29-2009, 06:25 PM
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Doc.. Quit reading ratings and look at what these cars dyno to the wheels. You'll find that LS1 powered Corvettes, Camaros, Firebirds and GTOs all make about the same to the wheels. If you walked into a show room, you might not want to pay $50,000 for a Corvette when a $27,000 Camaro is making just as much power. That kind of game has been going on for ages.
..and for the Cobra. We're talking around 215rwhp out of the factory. They typically run bottom 14s or high 13s with decent driving. Those folks running in the 15s must be atop Mt. Everest, broken, or just incredibly crummy drivers. A friend of mine ran 14.4s in a peg-legging, 170,000 mile '92 GT with 2.3 60s and nothing but an h-pipe and flows.
..and for the Cobra. We're talking around 215rwhp out of the factory. They typically run bottom 14s or high 13s with decent driving. Those folks running in the 15s must be atop Mt. Everest, broken, or just incredibly crummy drivers. A friend of mine ran 14.4s in a peg-legging, 170,000 mile '92 GT with 2.3 60s and nothing but an h-pipe and flows.
03-29-2009, 06:32 PM
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How about instead of a link I present a quoted magazine article?
No.
This is what GM advertised but real world figures showed otherwise. All the engines would dyno 345hp to the flywheel.
If some LS1 cars made 310hp to the flywheel then they would have the most efficient drivetrain in the world with a 0-5% loss to the wheels because most will dyno 300-310 to the wheels.
This is what GM advertised but real world figures showed otherwise. All the engines would dyno 345hp to the flywheel.
If some LS1 cars made 310hp to the flywheel then they would have the most efficient drivetrain in the world with a 0-5% loss to the wheels because most will dyno 300-310 to the wheels.
03-29-2009, 06:43 PM
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I raced one out at the track, had to been a 92 or 93. It sounded decent, had a full roll cage and he got me off the line and his 60ft was better, but I was spinning in third as well and as soon as I caught traction I passed him like he was sittin still. Idk why he had the full cage.
03-29-2009, 06:55 PM
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I was just responding to the claim of 350-380HP from a factory LS1, I know that Camaros/Firebirds/Non ZO6 LS1 Vettes are all the same, and I know that all of those numbers are not actual power to the ground numbers. Thats why I have a TA and not a Vette. (although I would really like a Vette)
03-29-2009, 07:57 PM
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..and for the Cobra. We're talking around 215rwhp out of the factory. They typically run bottom 14s or high 13s with decent driving. Those folks running in the 15s must be atop Mt. Everest, broken, or just incredibly crummy drivers. A friend of mine ran 14.4s in a peg-legging, 170,000 mile '92 GT with 2.3 60s and nothing but an h-pipe and flows.
Even a complete bolt on 5.0 mustang NA is still struggling to hit 300hp with the best HCI around. The only way a fox mustang is gonna hang with a stock F-body is if its stroked, sprayed or supercharged. Been there done that. If I had half the money in my F-body I put into my last stang my camaro would be a 10 second car all day long, no question. Im kicking myself to this day when I think about it.
the ignorance in this thread is overwhelming
03-29-2009, 08:06 PM
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Calm down, killa; I never stated something so ignorant.
Look at it as a defense towards 5.0 Mustangs and my reply on folks saying they're lucky to snag 14s in one. An AOD, maybe, but a decent running 5-speed 5.0 is a solid 14 second car. Basically, I'm saying, "If my buddy's ratty '92 GT could run a 14.4, peg-legging, imagine what a healthy Cobra would do."
I'm big fans of the 5.0 Cobras and know what puts 'em a few notches above your run of the mill, E7 headed LX or GT.
03-29-2009, 08:19 PM
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and I agree with the 345-350 crank horses.
and for the fox bodies only making 300hp with full bolt ons NA, thats legit. I hung out with a guy that had a forged 306 built, Trick flow heads, intake, and cam, full 3" exhaust, everything built and tuned by a shop. he put down 330 hp. He put over $4500 under the hood, he was disappointed and looking for a blower. I had a cam only WS6 M6, and smoked him!